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1956 Grimes Sister's murders came to me during my course of research as a possible inclusion to the notorious cases we cover here. Last week in a Facebook notification, Facebook indicated that I had an interest in the topic and I found a board about them. In my conversations, I was presented with this picture:

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I immediately favored our suspect for some of the characteristics found in this message. A careful examination yielded these findings:
B's Grimes.jpg

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Use of Arrows Grimes.jpg

Please Help Grimes Slide 1031.jpg

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Now, I am to understand that left beside their nude bodies was a fake badge (security/sheriff) type toy badge, a tube of lipstick not attributed to the girls, and this 2x4  with writing some distance from the dumpsite. I liken these killings to the anniversary of this killer's activity from 1945-1948. Lipstick involved, writing on wooden objects a message like "Please help" commonly used in many of our communications researched. The use of arrows as seen in many of our communications, and an arbitrary placement of this message with no way of knowing if it would ever be found by anyone like the note on the stonewall or in a mailbox. The killer could not be sure that it would have been found or taken seriously at all, but left it anyway. The girls were left in a known lover's lane area if that sounds familiar to anyone, and a neighbor of the girls overheard one of them call out "OK Jack," to an unknown male in a car filled with boys on the last night they were sighted. Jack would have been 28 years of age at the time of these murders. Bodies were dumped in the wide open with a creek a ravine feet away that would have otherwise have concealed the finding of their bodies for a lot longer time frame. The picture is actually reminiscent of the Santa Rosa dumpsites. There is another murder in this spree where the girl was bisected and found floating in some sort of cans in a waterway dump. Again, sound familiar??? If you notice, the anniversary 1945-1946 to 1955-1956 same area and the time involved in the serial killings 1945-1948 and 1955-1958 with similar disguised handwriting used in the communications is yet another solid clue that this killer worked in an anniversary mode in everything he did from killing to writing to the use of writing form in those connected by that anniversary MO.

I have determined that the Grimes Sisters deserve a place in this chaotic research as there is ample enough evidence to suggest that this could be part of Zodiac Jack's chess game indeed...               



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Nanette, that 2x4 cinches it up. It doesn't get any more Zodiac Jack 101 than the writing on that board. He knew it would be found, it was placed near enough that it would be found.
     That nasty crime, like all of the rest, sold newspapers. When I was researching this subject, I thought that there had to be more than I was finding at the time. I also understand that those arrow figures were also used in the newspaper printing business. Chicago seems to be the home base for all of the crimes that you've rightfully linked.

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I was asked by the head of the board on that crime whether or not I believe the teenage boys that the girls were last seen with had dropped them at the park and left them there helpless and someone else came along and committed the crime. At the time, I didn't understand what she was talking about. Now I realize this must have been what the boys said, and yes it is very possible Jack lay in wait for this exact type of opportunity. Like Cheri Jo Bates, the murderer lay in wait in a supply closet where he wrote the desktop poem. The statement on the 2X4 isn't likely to have been done by a bored teenager and is nothing like that of a tagging by a child. It was inside the shed and not the outside. Those who want recognition do it where they know it will be seen just as the killer of these girls dumped the bodies in plain view rather than pushing the bodies over the guard rail into a ravine where they would be harder to find or see. It is the message that means the most, not the act of the crime itself. The act of the crime brings attention to the MO which is the writing.
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Plus.... the figures on the 2x4 are exactly the type that we see on these other crimes, it's an encryption, even if it's a phony encryption, it uses the same cryptic devices. Then add all of the other points you've made about the placement of the bodies. It's cruelty that also screams that whomever did it: they meant business.
     I recall that I really had to continue to dig to get information in the OCCK case, apparently it's the same way with all of these MO linked crime cases.
     I still stand by my claim that the people behind these "hits" were testing their power and control over the cop shop business. Then years later when these case get seemingly very cold, you can easily detect that somebody doesn't want the rest of us scrutinizing all of the evidence. Overt amounts of efforts then take place to obscure certain items and facts.

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Nanette, I'm fairly certain that the arrow figures that we see on the 2x4 are the markings that typesetters put on proof pages of the newspaper business in those days. So, yes, we are getting statements from Zodiac Jack, he was leaving a trail to be followed with the items that he's left at the crime scenes. So we can then extrapolate an overall message from the evidence that he intentionally placed behind.
     It was a horrible and inhumane thing that was done to the Grimes girls and their mother, horrible. It's really sad that we share the planet with people that are so messed up. It sure seemed like a Zodiac Jack operation when I first read about it. If this latest information is true, then it's most definitely another intentional operation. One should do a study to see just how much the newspaper business benefited from the upsurge in sales? You know they made a ton of money in the Ramsey case. Look at that weasel Tony Frost and the Globe, along with the two-timing Jeff Shapiro weasel, neither one seem to have any moral scruples whatsoever. Geraldo too. The list goes on and the gates of hell are wide.

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Now, this is why I say Catseye has a grip on much of this crap, TerryB.... I spoke to Catseye last night tho I won't talk with her until sometime today about the actual solve on the code, but she had some very interesting and right up your alley comments on it, and she doesn't read this board.

She stated that the cryptic message had something to do with the newspapers right off the bat... She followed it with circa WWII code breaking and the cryptic German codes that were used to get messages along quicker and easier. She mentioned a system that I guess people are still trying to crack, and I can't remember exactly what she called it. Somehow it led back to a huge amount of smuggling of people and German antiques that were obviously probably not as antique as they would be considered today. Stain glass, chalices, art, rugs, and many other things. I hope that I can make sense of the work once she sends it, but my mouth hit the floor when the first thing that fell out of her mouth was "newspapers". Good job TerryB....

I know that I had been beating up the journalistic aspect of this for quite sometime, and each day presents a new reason to believe that Jack was working with or for someone who was at the top of this "newspaper" system. I don't find it so off that the "Hearst Escapade" may very well have been just that, an escapade to sell media...who really knows?

It supports cryptic messages pre-Zodiac Killer era, and is merely 10 years after the Lipstick Killer anagram. I would have to say that of what I have learned about codes, is that anagramming was one of the earliest and by all means easiest to decipher. Done by poets since the dawns end to hide their true identity when they wished to speak out about politics and dear god the king... This would keep them from being beheaded or jailed for the truth.

I will post later about catseye's solve, but I think she was leading to Roosevelt, LBJ and wives. Roosevelt wouldn't surprise me since this appears to be a 10 year anniversary killing in the very area Jack called out Roosevelt for the first time in his taunting letters to Mayor Kelly of Chicago.

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catseye was also heavily espousing an Indian syllable theory too.

     I think that using anagrams is a low level encryption device. From what I'm reading about the subject, an anagram is many times used in addition to the basic encryption devices or techniques.  
     It seems like the encryption on that 2x4 might be rather short too. But if it is a device to be used with newspaper print, a rather detailed message could have been delivered.
     I'll do some more research on the newspaper angle.
     I'm also fairly certain that Graysmith's book is not necessarily a work of fiction. Judging by the way he scrutinizes his own statements, I think his writings are far more accurate that some have claimed. I'd say that if anything, he may have been suffering from some of the same kinda of crap that the rest of us have had to endure while in pursuit of the truth.

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Thank you for your tenacity on the Grimes case Nanette.  BTW, Graysmith's "The Zodiac Unmasked" is very relevant, some of the symbols used by Zodiac Jack were also used in other technical fields. 
     It just dawned on me to mention that one of the techniques used to greatly improve the power and flexibility of a computer was to adopt the use of symbols to represent several different operations. Since we know that Zodiac Jack was into encryption, this same computer science would have been something that would have captured his interest. The formulation of the 340 cipher is one huge clue that emphasizes an appreciation for this technology.
     If there's any term which best describes or sums up these crimes, it is the term "layers". The business of computer science functions in layers. These crimes are also structured in "layers", layers of deception. These same layers all line up perfectly once the investigator starts putting the pieces together.
     Oh, I have a couple of passages from Graysmith's book which will really be thought provoking and I think that they will make perfect sense to you but I believe it might be wise to keep them from being made public just yet. There's currently no wonder to me why Graysmith's book is being suppressed. I still stand by my own personal decision to postpone the reading of it until recently.

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Hint: I think that there are a couple of bombshells in Graysmith's 'Zodiac Unmasked.' I don't think that Graysmith or anyone else has realized the significance of these potentially "bombshell" items. BTW, I also think that the 'anthrax' to 'Ramsey case' document linkage holds far more significance than most people currently realize. I'm playing these items "close to the vest" for the time being.
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