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Page 127, "Karr" says the letter was written prior to her death.... This I actually believe, and supports my contention that JT had opportunity to be the author. I do not believe that it was written in the presence of JBR though.

This would be a time consuming letter to write due to the attempt to disguise the handwriting. There is nothing that supports the killer was in the home for a substantial amount of time, and if the family was awake and he could hear them talking, then how did he get back up to the floor where he took his shoes off, or is someone going to imply that he carried them with him throughout the entire ordeal?

It's the way he says it. Prior has a varying degree of time, but seems more fitting when you put it into context of a pre-planned crime.

Now here is where his lies fall apart. Same page 127, in one paragraph he states that he wrote the letter in JBR's presence while she was very much alive, but the next paragraph he writes that he wrote it in haste before the Ramsey's returned home. This is where I believe that Karr pontificates and strays from the original message given to make himself seem believable because all he knows is that the letter was written in advance and not what scenario it was written in, so he let's his mind go wild with the tail.

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It's starting to sound like a kidnapping gone bad by the description of how the money was requested on this same page 127, and Karr is the distraction...
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Michael Tracey said it best, about the ransom letter, even though I have been chastised for it, "Wise effort, but there has been a huge effort to pin it on Patsy. She was made to give numerous handwriting samples, and the cops kept leaking that their experts couldn't exclude her. If there had been an indictment (i.e. Patsy was found to have written the note) it would have been exhibit #1."

I have been saying this about the handwriting between JT and Z this whole time as it is true. Handwriting should be significant enough to carry the label "Exhibit #1" and should close this case based on the findings. Why did the Chris Hopkins tell me that he completely believed the handwriting evidence, but could never get it seen anywhere else. I know that the report I was shown was not a real report. They have thought I was as stupid as DK when it comes to the paperwork. Not hardly, so yes I still believe that no one outside of Chris Hopkins looked at my findings in a professional manner.

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Page 128, Tracey confirms that Karr wrote the letter with his right hand. DK told me that JT got a kick out of the fact that he had disguised his handwriting so well and that in some cases he wrote them with his left hand. This is highly time consuming.... This did not take place in the Ramsey home. But, some of what Karr says actually rings true with other stories. The end of the letter however was written with the correct hand because it probably became extremely taxing to keep up with a letter that long.
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Page 129, Tracey asks a very poignant question, "but an MO is only of use if there is a pattern, other cases. Is that what you are telling me?"

Yes, that is exactly what this sicko is saying inadvertently and to his own demise. This is why I consider the deliverer of these message just plain stupid and over stating. You get disclosures on a constant basis, and a reminder of who he is and what he does for a living as if anyone believed that it needs to be said more than once. This is a say it til you believe yourself tactic.

Page 139, now that was funny... Daxis who is writing like a female, and is discussing having a sex change to become a women, but slips up and reminds Tracey that, "I am a man with a lot to say."


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Somewhere between page 96 and 109, I forgot to mention that it tickled me the Daxis recognizes and asks Tracey why Tracey never says his name, Daxis, in the mails. I mentioned that this would not be normal since the communication was directed to him anyway, and there is no reason to do so, but I see that Tracey picked up on the que and began to call him by his name which the author appreciated greatly. Way to play him like a fiddle.

I also want to note that Daxis is supposedly 41 in 2006, but he constantly refers to emails as mails, and I vaguely remember when emails first came out they were indeed referred to as mail, but I was very young, and it is certainly not a reference I would ever have made about them because I had long since forgotten that term when referring to and electronic mailing. This would seem to confirm that the author is far older than he claims. Even Tracey calls them by their true name which is an email.

Daxis claims to have computer knowledge and what type of computer he is communicating with, and JT had extensive knowledge of technology far earlier than most people, plus JT ran cell phone stores and knew all the ways to make a phone call using anything but normal means so as not to be detected. This is seen in the offering in all the ways to make contact without detection in the emails. Charles knows how to do the same things.

Another theme Daxis continues to hit on is that the Ramsey's will never speak to him, he may as well take the info to the grave as if it is near, that the book will never be released, as if there is something pending that will stop all forward motion with him. Like the fact that he is JT and will be dead in 2 short months, I wonder????

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John Mark Karr emails to Michael Tracey:


Page 179, last paragraph, for a minute, I felt I was being screamed at by DK. Talk about a hatred for LE. I mean really, the f---ing could have been anywhere in the sentence, but it seems to fall right where DK would put it in his. I can almost hear him saying it.... What if he was writing them??? There has been other instances of DK pretending to be other people in order to communicate his agenda, and by 2006 DK was definitely in full fledge catch JT mode, or as I believe, catch LE or someone covering up JT's identity as the Zodiac.

Page 181, says that his face is the last she saw, and this is consistent with the letter to Tim Miller where the suspect claims he was the last his daughter saw alive. Commonality in the statement is that both authors see if from the victims view and not theirs, like:

I was the last person your daughter saw

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I was the last person to see your daughter alive

as if to glorify themselves and their culpability in what they have done which shows no sign of remorse rather than a desire to get the credit deserved for the act.

PS reading Karr's emails reminds me of watching a bad actor, I just can't buy all this love crap he is putting out there...

Page 185, Karr claims to have sang a song for Patty called "Farther Along" here is the background interestingly enough:

The lyrics to the song were written in 1911 by Rev. W. A. Fletcher, an itinerant preacher, while he was traveling to the Indian Territories by train.[citation needed] Fletcher was feeling depressed because his wife, Catherine Louise Emmett Fletcher of Cleburne, Texas, was expecting their first-born child in a few weeks and he wouldn't be present for the occasion. He felt that his priorities were with his ministry in the Indian Territories and wrote the lyrics to reflect his frame of mind at the time.[citation needed] Sitting next to him on the train was J. R. Baxter, a gospel music promoter who was quite taken with the lyrics that Fletcher was writing and offered him $2.00 for them. Mr. Baxter subsequently had them put to music and the song has been quite popular in the gospel music arena ever since.[citation needed]

The song deals with a Christian's dismay at the apparent prosperity of the wicked, when contrasted with the suffering of the righteous. The repeated theme is that, "farther along" (in Heaven, perhaps), the truth will be revealed.

The song was copyrighted in 1937, as part of the Starlit Crown collection,[1] and was renewed in 1965. It is often erroneously thought of as a folk hymn or as being in the Public Domain.

I found the southern/Texas relation to be of no surprise, and the meaning of the song even more fitting considering this case.

Page 211, speaking about Paradise being Boulder, CO and driving past Tracey's university and thinking about Tracey when he drove by. Karr either isn't Karr, or he is coming in and out of the country which he declares he hasn't been in since going on the run. Sounds to me that the author cannot keep his story straight as to his whereabouts for the last several years, and just like the difference between "we" and "my" in the JBR ransom note, this author is telling on himself.

The author continually refers to A4 pages as if in a book page. Here I find a strange connection to the size of the Zodiac's writings which were, in my memory, approximately 7.5 X 5.25 in size, and written in a manner that was consistent with reading a book per LE, and Karr quotes this exact size. 


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Wow Nanette, now; they're, once more, gonna think you and I are the same person! I didn't realize that you posted all these recent things about the Karr emails, all of your points are well taken. Those damn things are redundant and hard to read, aren't they? Yeah, Tracy did play him like a fiddle, didn't he?!

BTW, the internet says a Judge ordered the Grand Jury files in the Ramsey case opened to the public! John Ramsey and his lawyer have been pushing for this.

If a structural analysis of the ransom letter wasn't presented to the Grand jury, then justice was again denied. It's a good thing that Hunter refused to indict the Ramsey's. He said the ransom letter was "fanciful", I'd love to know what all of his observations about it were at that point in time.

Yeah, John Mark Karr was a hand puppet stooge. An complete analysis of his statements as they compare to the Zodiac killer statements should generate an indictment of Karr as a co-conspirator in the Ramsey murder, the evidence is plainly there. They'd better watch out that he isn't "suicide d", like so many have been.

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BTW, I almost forgot...... that business where Karr tries to imply about the crime as being a kidnapping gone awry, is more deception from the killers camp. That and the stuff Nancy Krebs said are all designed to steer our thinking away from the basic crime scene facts.
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Who is going to think we are the same person??? And why??? Am I (unknowingly) copycatting some of your posts on these emails or what? I don't get it.... I would have thought they know exactly who I am and where I am from, unless they, meaning other mb's, think you are me, or I am pretending to be someone other than myself??? I don't get it...

I have a 3 page word document with cross connections I haven't even posted yet with many things to investigate as I do. I am at the 320 page mark, and should be done with my reading shortly and post those thoughts...

Maybe JMK was scared of being "suicide d" as well and this is why the sex change.

I can understand and empathize with a gender identification disorientation, but only when an individual who may be a man that feels like a women, and then changes to conform to that image. In these cases, women who feel like a man then have feelings for women. What I don't understand is in JMK's case where he feels he is a woman in a man's body while he craves a girl/woman for sex. This makes no sense, and screams that his sex-change is for reasons other than how he feels about his body.

The heavy overtones of female communication shines thru in these emails; however, they revert back to an overly male testosterone state whenever the author is angered. Seems that the ruse is just that, a ruse. I do not believe that the author had any concern other than receiving recognition for their crime, and JMK is obviously not the one.

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Last paragraph first, I agree.

Second to last: Karr is a con man, plain and simple. He's full of crap, that's just very obvious. Is he sick?, to my way of thinking he is. He might have assumed the female role to hide out and to avoid becoming a loose end? That's basically the same as what you have said. He's certainly odd, he seems to thrive on it because he's basically a first class loser, his MO is to taunt everyone. How he skated on the pedophile kiddie porn charges is very very sickening and very very suspicious?, as you know. It's one of those things that really pisses me off.

I'd love to read your 3 page word document. The poetic clues are my current focus.

The "we are both the same person" thing is an old thing that the trolls on DK's and TV's MB's have said in the past. They no longer seems to take that tact.

The tide is slowly turning to where more and more people are seeing the linkage between these crimes.

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Nanette, it's interesting now that the grand jury statement was released in the JBR case, it must not be what the media mongers quite want. As you know, it basically says that the Ramsey's were covering for the actual killer. Ramsey's lawyers have said that it was a LE attempt to drive a wedged between the Ramsey's and get one to turn on the other.

So now the media mongers are sour grapes about the Ramsey case, because it basically says that the grand jury doubted the story about the accident gone awry. Well at least the grand jury got something right.

I do have to admit and point out however; that it sure seemed like a Freudian slip when Patsy Ramsey said something to the effect that: "We just wanna know why this happen" vs "We just wanna know who did this". That still troubles me, I just can't easily write that off. This is the primary reason why I've run neutral regarding the Ramsey's involvement, other than that, I'm certain that they were set up. So... perhaps it was simply a ploy to get the killer(s) to make another attempt to contact the Ramsey's?

So now we need a complete report on just how many John Mark Karr's statements were Zodiac Jack 101. Nanette, you've indicated some remarks that I must have missed. I've gotten bleary eyed trying to read those damn things, there are just too many of them.  Yes, Tracy did a good job of pumping JMK.  This is why it's essential to have more than one set of eye looking at these things and they have to be eye's that know the things that we know, eye's that share the same basic suspicions.

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Wow, Nanette, it's pretty cool to read your posting from #136 to#157, lots of revelations! These things consolidate our suspicions with regard to the linkage of these crimes. I especially like your analysis of sentence structure comparisons. JT was leaving a solid trail.
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Nanette, I was impressed that you found the reference to "Paradise" on page 211. I also noted that he used the word "time" on that same page, also he used the term "I will". It would be nice to now tally up all of the keywords and key phrases that appear, and to which one or more or the murders they relate to. As you know, the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note already has several that relate to the Zodiac killer documents. Doing this would be a big task unless one could find a program that would sort this information out automatically.


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I am going to move all the John Mark Karr emails to Michael Tracey to it's own thread due to the longevity of this discussion, and I do not want it to deter or take away from the JonBenet Patricia Ramsey thread because we know that JMK did not commit this crime.
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