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Hey TerryB, didn't mean to leave you hanging, but I finished the emails on Friday. Yes, I was dreary eyed. I also wanted to pull out my hair and rip out my eyes, but I think anyone who has read them would know how I was feeling without me saying so.

I have more than 4 pages of Word Documents of similarities that need to be verified and typed up. That is why I moved the thread to a JMK forum. I found that while there is serious need to look into the cross connections of these communications, I did not want it to take away from the pertinent info that the JBR thread was covering because I haven't even gotten to this year and where this is all leading to.

Course of action is to decipher the meanings behind all these emails that obviously scream some type of tight knit wrap around what the Zodiac was doing at this same point in time...

I can understand people telling me some things can be a coincidence, but I do not buy that it all is, and until they can show me solved crime sprees where a criminal acted in the behavior and MO of the Zodiac with the same aptitude to write and taunt, I will not believe that this comes from anything other than a very organized group of people, or just one person who fell into the wrong crowd after some very disparaging events in their life.

I did not write what everyone is about to read, I am simply a messenger of the similarities that lie within. I could not make this up, and thanks to DK, yes I said thanks to DK, some things are stranger than fiction.

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OK, here are my notes to be analyzed for the JMK/Michael Tracey emails:

Evidence that JMK knew:

Scent of perfume and runny nose seem to be the validating evidence of being present at the crime.

Bracelet she was wearing = another pertinent piece of info from that night

Panties and cutting of hair taken

339- Atlanta and Jaguar XJ6
Claims that no stun gun was used and constantly misspells technical name even though MT spells it for him many times.
Claims 2 ligatures were used in this crime, one for love making, and one for the killing
Claimed a female presence, but then wants to take it back
Claimed to be caught in the house when the Ramsey's woke
Claimed to have taken his shoes off during the commission of the crime
Claimed to have come through the back door

 

Zodiac similarities:

Page 64 Karr = brilliant distraction – JT use to say that about the ciphers in Zodiac. So did Z in his own words.

Magician’s sleight of hand???? Where have I heard this before?

Page 85 Karr says you would not recognize me – Z ploy he wrote about; however, writing seems female, but Karr was going through female gender identification and later in 2008 made a switch to Alexis Reich this may have been a ploy to change appearance due to notoriety and not wanting to be recognized.

Page 88, JBR to be with her Daxis – Zodiac slave to be with him in after life

All my letters are important to me as were those to the Zodiac

Merit – life based on – Zodiac’s deep desire to receive recognition for his deeds

Page 110, reference to Stephen King and writing megapages = TV letter from Zodiac author says, “make this the MEGA-HIT it can be.”

Need to know if the public is interested in him or not is of great importance just like Z

Strong desire to dispel the untruths told about the case just like Z

156 more concerned about people not believing him than hating him

166 reference to Patsy and JBR walking in the gardens of paradise

166 Poem about dying because Patsy died

166-167 threats of suicide = decending into the depths – Riverside letter of walking into the ocean

171 Tracey calls Daxis Poetic – Been calling Z that for years

273 – reference to TIME

275 – double life in so many other cases.

286 – I have been running for years on all levels

316 – Uses 20.30 for a time reference, military time – references snow

 

Movie and Media References:

Page 96, watch A&E interview just like Z watched Bad Lands and other media on the case.

Michael Tracey and David Mills filming documentaries with the Ramsey’s = Daxis contacted David Mills just like Scorpion contacted John Walsh, Suspect = Tim Miller, Zodiac = Tom Voigt,

Daxis calls himself “like” Stephen King then thanks Tracey for comparing the likes of him to Stephen King. I am confused…

Page 126, Patricia and John – used that quote because it was heavily influenced by a similar quote in a favored film.

313- knows Tracey is making documentary on the 10 year anniversary

334- Shakespeare Book Store

339- Vogue Bambini magazine

347- wants Johnny Depp to play him in the movie

393- Roger Waters “When the tigers broke free” “The Wall” DVD

394- The Executioner’s Song

397- book reader and movie watcher

400- Sound of music playing on computer

402- Rainman

378- interviewers he likes – Larry King, Charlie Rose, Michael Tracey, and

378- “Catch Me if You Can” with Dicaprio and Hanks

 

Jack Tarrance similarities:

Concern for what family and children will think page 86. JT made same representation to DK to hold off on writing a book until after he was dead.

331- knows someone who was crazy about asian women – JT’s supposedly married a Japanese woman???

334- my father would kill anyone who screwed him in business – JT’s account of dad and beer bottle

Reference to mails instead of emails in 2006? Seems like an old term = age of JT in the techno world versus the age of JMK

 

John Mark Karr Claims:

Claims of already having been investigated for murder and child molestation, and family were ok with JBR’s attraction until the investigation. Page 86  What investigation?  Clearly he is indicating a previous investigation into him in page 89 and 94 direct statement to being investigated for JBR’s death. No mention of JMK as a possible suspect being investigated until these emails.

Claims multiple residences =

Page 96, Claims use of Gothic devices – check to see what is meant by that

Deep love for Patsy Ramsey – Did JT follow her around too??? – Sick perverted love for a mother as describe by many psychologists when referring to the Zodiac.

Has mother issues - 158 Daxis covers his sexual intimacy with his mother – psychologists long since explained a perverse love of the mother in the Zodiac case, this seems to fit the bill

Seems this was a ploy to further a previous abuse charge as if JBR was to have understood this type of love already. BS

Author recognizes that Tracey never says his name in his letters which is a huge way the suspect speaks in these communications.

Page 109, Tracey asks why “Karr” hates silence so much? I am starting to think that time is running out for JT and not Patsey. His patience is running out and he believes the truth will never come out as it hasn’t.

157 better do this quick, out of work, out of money – this is ploy for getting book out now - urgency

224 – reference to phone calls being recorded – i.e. DK and JT notorious

233 – wants pic of standing in front of grand-mother’s home for opening in book

280 – July 13, time is running out to write this book… Why???

282 – a few more weeks to deal with him, and Saturday if it comes…. Sounds like pending death or apprehension.

317- phone active for a year if I am around to answer it

319 – says father abandoned him when he was six – but claimed earlier that his dad responded negatively to him visiting JBR’s grave??? Author goes back and forth between love and hate with a person he claims abandoned him, but other revelations indicate that JMK’s father was in his life.

334- speaks of surgeries which is obviously a lie until 2008 for JMK

339- Claims mom died when he was six

346- Departure point 3000 miles from his home, supposedly had 3 homes = Sonoma Co. Release with departure from East Coast shortly after or around mailing of Anthrax….

346- undeveloped film taken, cd’s, music, computer

353- must finish book before August 15

417- Seems the sex change is so he can be a nanny that puts him close to little girls, not because he is identifying with being female.

 

Timing of Communications and similarities:

4 years of communications previous to May 2006 would be 2002 = Letter to TV Nov. 22 2002 and 9-1-2003. Again with Sept. communication….

References constantly “assure” which is cut and pasted in Tim’s letter

316 – Uses 20.30 for a time reference, military time = Zodiac, and references snow = OCCK

 

Research Items:

Where does knickers derive from? - sounds like author knows MT is British

Who is Mailer? 129

Who is Mick Sandrock? 138

220 Michael Helgoth (bootman) – Gary Oliva – Bill McReynolds (Santa Ramsey’s party)

353- Paces Ferry in your neighborhood???

364- Charles Dodgeson = hero

382- Norman Mailer

I have to finish putting my thoughts on these, but this is what I have notated so far from the first reading.


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I thought that the Pride sighting occurred shortly after midnight or so. Wouldn't this have contradicted spending all the time that JMK claimed to have spent i.e., with JBR, writing the ransom note, and being there at the 6am hour when the Ramsey's were awake?
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Those are some very keen points and observations, Nanette.

Try these too: 34, "it was hell" and "please, please, please" (OCCK), "unreal" and "still haunt's me"
36, "I shall", "insane", "rare blue moon"
37, "speak to him"
39, "I will", "desperate", "and for me to be Frank" OCCK?(perhaps Tracey said that?)' "had some J" (typo?)"and now this"
40, "promise not to publish", also the heavy use of cannot vs can't
41, redundant "copy and paste" verbatim message
72, not like Karr messages, different(missing some) punctuation, a different kind of flow, direct commands, and yes Nanette, mails vs emails, he commands: "I need direct contact with them and nothing less".(Not that I'm an expert on punctuation but there are several examples of improper punctuation here vs earlier vs whiny messages from Karr, except, of course, the "I am vs I'm which is a copycat thing to Zodiac Jack.
83, he slams Lou Smit again, makes a false accusation about Smit taking money from Ramsey, A lot of knowledge about the investigation that followed, I'd say.
86, improper to vs too, not like educated Karr
93, intentionally misspells beyond as beyound, and does so even after Tracey spells it correctly, Zodiac Jack 101, I'd say.
120, "Having no knowledge of the investigation that followed." Yea right!
128/9 He downplays the ransom note with provable lies.
expert on criminal profiling, "Thank heaven for little girls." (maybe that was Tracey's statement?)

Far, far too many specific Zodiac Jack clues and MO to be a copycat and or a mere coincidence, I'd say. It also occurs to me that there may be a cryptic relationship to the number of the emails and/or the time/date of the emails as they relate to keywords and phrases in the text of the messages?

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I am reposting this a second time in hopes to carry this conversation from the JBR thread to JMK:

Yeah, I didn’t buy JMK not having any knowledge or ability to follow this case. This case undoubtedly made worldwide news.

I do see a constructive difference where the emails take a turn in personality and construction for sure.  I also note, that at times, Michael Tracey’s words were eerily similar to those of Z, and when I see your confusion with who might have said it, it’s because it is so reminiscent of what we expect to hear from Z that even I had to re-read to determine who said it.

Karr seems to have the same whiny words in many of his emails that appear extremely redundant, and that maybe due to a lack of new info, and he was trying to keep the conversation going until he gets some important info that must be conveyed, and then the emails take on a whole new agenda and overtone. He is basically attempting to point to pedophilia and asphyxia which makes me think we are looking where he wants us to instead of the real place, and then there is the push for the book for recognition. Two completely separate agendas… I lean on the book being the ultimate motive, and where else do you see an uncaught killer attempting to make contact with anyone to get a book or movie deal other than the “Zodiac Killer?”

Karr was definitely a patsy, and I wonder if this was initiated with DK’s revelations to a majority of LE in 2000 and 2001. It is all very timely, and I note; location, location, location… Sonoma Co. of all places is where they find this pedophile??? Sonoma Co. supposedly can’t get SFPD to do a match on JT’s palm print that DK gave them. There are unsolved murders in this jurisdiction from Z as well IMHO.

I believe that JMK (or his persona) created all the chapter names, but there are many missing parts to these emails. The response that he is familiar with criminal profilers is a direct statement found in Zodiac, Scorpion letter to John Walsh, JBR, Black Dahlia, and I am sure more that I haven’t thought of just yet.

Many words like “Heavens” and “Paradise”,  and more that you have pointed out stand out tremendously. There is an even bigger chance that there are people making Karr sound like Z so that they can keep the mystery going, and have tracked JT and his happenings throughout his final years. This kind of ties in with all parties knowing that LE is involved.

The loss of Karr’s “computers” is no coincidence. I mean, why run from charges for pedophilia only to turn yourself in for something far larger like murder. This makes no apparent sense, unless he knew he wasn’t returning to the US to face any real charges.

Yeah, I don’t see Karr being a technical person by any means, and the need to disclose such is simply overstating where there is no need. I did not read anything on Karr that included a deep knowledge of anything in the technical field with education or otherwise.

TerryB, I think that you might like this article from crime library as well:

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/index_1.html

I find that it tells much about the rampage taken against the Ramsey’s and how much of the evidence was strewn with falsehoods to get the scoop, and the police fed lies that promoted their stance on the suspects of interest. I noted that the article reminds everyone that Boulder had not seen a homicide that year, and that LE was uneducated in the aspect of proper procedure for such an event.

I wonder if the ink in the Sharpie was ever tested to see if it was in fact the very same pen used? And, with the information the perpetrators knew, it is possible that they purchased similar style notepads as the Ramsey’s used. I did not see where there was any indication that the paper carried impressions of writing from anyone in the house, but there were impressions and practice sheets from the suspect. This does not mean that the notepad came from the Ramsey home. The other theory that the intruder had at some point been in the Ramsey home to know such intimate details would also give the opportunity for the notepad to have been taken and brought back. Obviously, they took the cord and the duck tape they brought from the home, and that is probably because it could not be linked to the Ramsey’s. Duck tape is one of those messy tapes that pick up everything it lies on, and this would have had some trace evidence that could help to ID a perpetrator if it had been left behind as well as the rope. Speaking of which, was DNA tested on the rope, and did they come up with anything? After all, with touch DNA these days, something should have been found unless the killer wore gloves which would make the specialty knot even more complicated to perfectly complete.

I read 2 different aspects of where the ransom note was found. One was on the staircase by Patsy, and the other was on the floor by the back door by the police, so I am not sure where it was actually found. I also read that it was a baseball bat found in the yard where the children didn’t usually play. So which is it again, baseball bat or golf club??? These kinds of things make it impossible for any member of the public to help solve a crime.

I don’t believe JT had any intentions of squealing on his associates at all!!! I believe that he was every bit concerned for never getting the true recognition for what he got away with. While he points out many, many media entities throughout his communications which include publishers, journalists, newspapers, authors, investigators, attorneys, and movies that does not have the events correctly.

So, new theory…. If you point suspicion towards something it isn’t, then why not portray a hatred for a particular group of people i.e. media/law enforcement where maybe there is none. In the end, JT was well aware that no one was taking DK serious, and he knew darn well who was covering him up, and called out every single one of them in one way or another.

This is what I skipped across while letting my research get away with me… I was reading that in 1997 Alex Hunter was the DA in Boulder, CO. This made me think of the Gonzo faxes I received from someone on the internet. The letter is dated 10-28-97. They believed that Hunter Thompson had very similar writing to that of the Red Phantom, Dear Marco letter. The letter reads with some consistency to that of Zodiac, and the little red heart on the arm screamed JT, but I am sure many men have a red heart tattoo. I initially looked at these documents and seen some comparable characteristics, but then I needed to recalibrate and realize that this is HT’s natural handwriting, and the writing in the Dear Marco letter was disguised, or was it???? So, I did some out of the box research, and found that HT was supposed to be dear friends with Ralph Steadman. So, why does HT say these nasty mean things to the man who eventually completed HT’s funeral arrangements??? I did read other communications by HT, and he does seem to be a nasty individual to begin with, and if this is how he acts in business then maybe this is how he acts towards everyone in his life, and was merely upset with Ralph at that time. What I made note of was the reference to the “pansexual” which I take to mean that all sex of any nature or any gender (maybe including children as well) wasn’t off limits. Ralph Steadman was a very weird individual by the looks of his art, but he made it big with this crap, so that tells me there is a sick and twisted market for such things. Diving in a little further, I read that HT worked for S.F. Examiner, and Ralph Steadman drew pictures for “Alice in Wonderland” of all movies.  Ralph Steadman also contributed to Johnny Depp’s songs, and worked on “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” and “Treasure Island”. All of these things struck me as something JT would have known and cherished being such a huge book and movie buff that he was. But, where is the connection???? I read at one point about the underground journalism occurring in the 60’s, and we know of course that Journalism has been corrupt since it’s inception by very powerful and rich owners such as Hearst and many others. Journalism has also been corrupted by politics and law enforcement. Politics control what they can and can’t say while law enforcement sees fit to feed false information and leads to bolster their agenda against their suspects such as the Ramsey’s to the media and newspapers. If the mob is actually the owner of such media and newspapers, then maybe while they fulfilled an agenda against particular individuals, this also gave them a story to report on, a book to write, and a movie to make. I have never been able to shake the feeling that Hollywierd is somehow responsible for the suppression of the truth in order to facilitate the money making avenue they have created. With that come ties to LE, underground criminal activity, and others to assist in the misinformation giving that has gotten us to the place we are. Then you have the likes of Chris Wolfe – Journalist, Michael Tracey – journalism professor, Kris Pickel CBS which was originally KRON owned by a San Francisco Newspaper owner (either Examiner or Chronicle), Tom Voigt – journalist, John Walsh – Investigative Journalism, you have to wonder who is really running these people?

I’m not sure where this is going at this point, but why not a group of eccentric journalists with sick and twisted agendas both financial and political with JT as the hired gun, criminal connections galore, and LE at their fingertips. Wouldn’t it be easy to make it look like a pedophile ring or place suspicion where it doesn’t belong??? “Things are not what they seem”

 

 

 

 


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Nanette, page #138, most definitely not Karr. Damn these things are tedious, I can only read so many of them a day.
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Nanette, did you notice the hint that Tracey made of female DNA being discovered a the crime scene? This is on page 143 of the pdf files.
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I read 138 again, and there does seem to be this very straight forward and calm individual in this particular email. Not the whiny why haven't you answered me? and I love JBR and PR crap that tends to ensue between communications.

I did see the reference to the female DNA. Based on the first comment about lying to him about Patsy's burial in JBR's grave as possibility to get him to show up, I am not sure whether the second thought about telling him several women had been tested would confirm the existence as he initially reported about the presence of a female??? 

I had an interesting conversation with an individual that does DNA testing for the DOJ, and I was enlightened about a couple of things. The statement was made that there was a male DNA reference found in the JBR panties, and they did not elaborate on any other findings, so I am left to assume that this is the only DNA found on JBR. I plan on asking other questions....
Next, I was given a brief rundown on the numbering system and reference points of a DNA profile. Going a step further to show me exactly how 2 DNA samples being mixed would make an identification impossible without having a reference source from at least one of the donors. Turns out that what DK was saying this entire time about SFPD pooling the DNA from under the stamp and the lip of the envelope seriously messed up the findings. To some degree it is like handwriting in that there are many letters (lower/upper case) = many numbers (in DNA profile); letters have several different aspects that make them individual = DNA has 1 to 2 numbers per reference point with about 16 different reference points, I believe.

I do note that there was mention that obviously if DNA is found to be a match between an individual and a knife at a crime scene that the DNA is far more conclusive, meaning I suppose that DNA is so sensitive now with the newest technology that you basically pick up DNA by simply brushing your gloved hand against your cheek thus transference is the biggest offender in a solidified identification, and a DNA match is generally combined with some sort of corroborating evidence. Touch DNA is dependent on the amount left behind, and can often times rule someone out more over than make an identification.

These responses of course are my interpretation of what I was showed and told, and not to be perceived as verbatim information.

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Nanette, the only cursive writing on the ransom note is: "You can try to deceive us", which can possibly mean: You can try two divas. Get it? This is prime Zodiac Jack 101 meta-writing. Also enforcement is cursive but not any of the rest of the document is written in cursive.
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Nanette, I found it interesting that Tracey tells the cops about the connection made between someone named Defore and a Daxis pentagon project mentioned on page 163.

Did you notice that the crazy composite image that the Daxis camp sent in, cuts over at the mouth! A composite two dead girls. Very taunting stuff. This is why I think the black duct tape is linked to the Black Dahlia murder. You can see the outline of the tape on one of the morgue photos of JonBenet.

Keywords and phrases galore: paradise, kill her, killer, heaven, please please please,suicide, murdered,I shall, I will, etc. Over and over.

I've picked up on some subtle things that tell me that behind the scenes; the cops were prompting Tracey to add in little clues, clues that link to other crimes, like OCCK and Zodiac killer. This tells me that the cops have made some of the same connections that we have! These are subtle, but specific. It's like taunting the Daxis camp, just a little, anyway. Maybe Tracey did it on his own?

A new series of cut and paste messages from the Daxis camp begins at about the time of Patsy's death. I've observed some  funny things that occur to me about that: 1) Tracey is beginning to pull a cut and paste routine on the Daxis camp. 2) Tracey is trying to prompt more details from the Daxis camp, but it's like Karr has been left to tend the emails and respond to those ideas but he doesn't dare say anything that isn't on the script! It's like he's  a stupid robot that can't and doesn't dare answer until he gets clearance from Zodiac Jack. Ha ha ha. There is just a little bit of justice served in the Karr emails.

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I forgot to add the word "Key" to the keyword list.

I really wonder if LE carefully read all of the Karr emails. If so, they certainly should have noticed the marked change in syntax, sentence structure and punctuation laced in amongst regular and highly redundant Karr emails.

I've looked at the Karr yearbook writings and I'm convinced that the author of the ransom note mimicked some of Karrs capital letters, this of course indicates an association with Karr and Zodiac Jack that predates JBR's murder. On this point, and added to the 4 years of correspondence with Tracey, Karr should have been charged as a co-conspirator to intentional murder. This evidence shows complicity in the Ramsey murder. They'd of course refrain from referring to an unknown co-conspirator as "Zodiac Jack'! ha ha 

I say again; that it's highly suspicious that Karr held out for a trial rather than copping a plea to the kiddie porn charges in California. He had skipped out on those same charges and fled the country. This tells me that someone reassured him that he'd never be convicted. Then again, perhaps Karr simply wasn't aware of all of his rights, maybe his original lawyer wasn't all that savvy? They'd offered him 3 years probation to cop the plea.


Starting at page 177 a new script by the Karr camp is started

Page 180, again with the term "unreal", which is also part of the keyword scheme.

Too much minutia in the Karr emails, just like the crime and the ransom note.

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Nanette, I'm still plowing through the Karr emails. Links to the phone calls are posted on the net, within the next few days I'll try to listen to them.

Noted:
177, a new script from the Karr camp.
180, "unreal" offer, etc, Zodiac Jack 101 term
186, I found the first instance of the dual word "I'll, vs I will. Did he let his guard down? Tracey zinged him with a cut and paste of his own.
191, Karr camp uses the word "garner", which is a much older term going back a few generations.
He writes: "unless secrets are held in paradise", which is Zodiac Jack 101. The Karr camp contradicts their previous statements, they now convey atheist views.
193, They (Karr camp) mentions "prepare her body". I don't know that if at that point in time it was public knowledge that JonBenet's body was washed? I don't think it was yet released to the public? You and I know this is another signature MO element throughout his murderous career, especially Bauerdorf, Chicago Lipstick, Black Dahlia and OCCK.

Around this time frame, the Karr camp complains that John Ramsey wants the killer caught, earlier on, that Ramsey didn't believe that Karr was involved. I believe Karr was involved. It's almost more pronounced that Karr's hand printing letter style was heavily incorporated in the Ramsey ransom note than was Patsy's, her's was also somewhat incorporated. Again, this clearly shows an association and familiarity with Karr before the murder was committed. Notice on page 193, the Karr camp slips out the fact that the killer hurried out of the place, stating that they thought the parents might have awakened. This  might also indicate that business about her letting out a scream, may have been true? I don't buy that Karr let out a scream. Karr should not have been excluded as a suspect in this crime. The DNA may be a red herring, as sophisticated as Zodiac Jack and the planners of this crime were, the DNA might have been intentionally planted.

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Nanette, information that I've read in the OCCK case has caused me to re-think my reasoning on the subject of the alleged stun gun marks on JBR. In the OCCK case, one or more victims had what appeared to be round burn marks but were in fact attributed to finger tip pressure on the skin of the victims during the act of killing them. This would explain why former Detective Thomas claimed the stun gun was a "make believe" weapon. Karr kept insisting that no stun gun was used on her.

Yes, it's very provable that Karr was a liar but I think that he was both informed and truthful about the no stun gun thing. Karr claimed that she was hung by her wrists but the evidence says no such thing happened. This, of course; supports the reasoning that the cord tied to her wrists was staging as was the black duct tape which was applied postmortem.

BTW, don't buy everything at the pbsworks site. They're not hep to the notion that Karr was brought forward to reinforce the false notion that the crime was an accident. They've taken the bait or they seem to thrive on the false notions in the case.

Back to the red dot marks aka stun gun marks: If the killer had help holding the victim while he strangled her, that could explain several things. It could explain the marks, it could explain female DNA (assuming that's true) and it could explain the "try to deceive us/try two divas" exclusive cursive writing on the ransom note?

It's very apparent to me that the Karr emails are structured to be exculpatory for Karr later on, things like the Karr camp saying she was hung by her wrists, etc.

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BTW, the phoney composite of Lee Oswald holding a rifle, cuts across the mouth. Jack White has a very good report of this on youtube.

I initially misstated that Heather O'Roarke(sp), was a murder victim. Her cause of death seems bazaar to me.

Apparently BDP and the BDA didn't study the Karr emails close enough, because there are at least two different authors in the Karr camp, there's no question to that whatsoever. Who the hell spends over 4 years continually making the same phoney statements over and over? It's so blatantly obvious what they wanted when the crime is viewed from our angle.

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Nanette, Bingo on page 225! Karr camp announced her death occurring at 2 AM, this coincides with the "hands of the clock" D on the last ransom note page, a time/date stamp which is more Zodiac Jack 101.

Page 228 has a statement by the Karr camp that is Mindhunter 101.

I've  read that the cops took Karr as a serious suspect because he knew about the engraving on her bracelet. 

Karr camp has far too much detailed information about the Ramsey house.

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