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Roberson is a Police Officer in South Lake Tahoe.  Nanette --- even though it does not look like Jack's handwriting (you will of course know much better than me) -- it is definitely his code.
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THIS PAGE WILL BE RECREATED WITH THE APPRORIATE SOLVE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH AND NOT MONEY.... SOON TO COME!



Undisclosed person's latest solve. Even though we don't know the origin of this flyer, it appears that the code is identical to Jack/Zodiac's. This would be impossible unless they already knew who JT was or where he learned the code. Or, it is a message from the Zodiac we have not been presented. It is definitely leading to a good location once again just like the Z32. Undisclosed person stated, "that seeing this code was almost like reading an old book because he already knew most of the symbols and therefore, could almost read it verbatim without having to decode it." That's freaky!      

The Scorpion letter mentioned that once the limited systems and symbol had been figured out that solving his 4th and 5th cryptograms would be simple. I believe that he has been looking at many of the codes as cryptograms and not ciphers with anagrams and word games played as well.


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Here is a place for us to chime in on the recent solve of the Donna Lass Cipher. Origin unknown, but the code is identical to Zodiac and Jack Tarrance's methods. Who could have known this in order to make a readable messages using the Zodiac's code unless they themselves were familiar with it??? Or, this actually came from the Zodiac. I need to complete a handwriting exam on the letters.
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I am so happy someone finally made sense out if this code! * heard about it from me when we talked about JTs symbols & how I started from scratch using clear Vallejo section of Hardens 408 symbols, old 408 scans of Hardens work plus this clear code like puzzle border pieces in hopes to recreat correct JT symbols. That said, modern tech is able to find remains & I believe it can happen dispite snow. Hopefully soon, we all shall hear from LE about what happened to Lass 40 years later! Again- congrats to (Redacted)!
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I have had some questions about this reward poster for quite some time. It has sort of been accepted, because it's been repeated so often at various sites, that the poster was created by the Lass family in the 1970's. I seem to remember reading one website runner, I think it was the guy who was trying to tie the Zodiac murders to Charles Manson, that he heard Donna's sister, Mary, confirm to him that the family made the poster. However, he gave no evidence to prove this.

The problem is that the poster gives the telephone number to the South Lake Tahoe Police Department, and the Area Code of that number is 530.
I learned on another site, again I don't recall which but it might have been Voigt's, that the 530 Area Code did not come about until 1997. I confirmed this through my own research, 530 was developed when they broke up the 916 area code in 1997. So, the poster could have been made no earlier than 1997. http://areacode.org/530

Moreover, there is a newspaper article about the Lass murder, written in 1971, that details a $500 reward put up by the family and people with information were to contact a private eye hired by the Lass family. There is no mention of having people contact the police with the info and the reward is considerably smaller.

It bothers me to not know the origin of the poster or its authenticity. That said, I have not yet examined this new solve so will reserve any comment until I do. Just thought I'd mention this point about the poster.
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Jup.. I personally have talked with Det Roberson re: Lass Reward Poster a couple of years ago. Dennis used to live up there as a kid and frequents area to this day. So even Kaufman knows 530 area code hasnt changed since 1970. SLTPD 530-542-9100 AREA CODE & ALL has been same number for decades. I confirmed again simply dialing today. According to South Lake Tahoe dispatcher: "Not a chance their 530 number was created 1997!" FYI everyone who is following this story: They are hopeful about (Redacted) codebreak.
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Did you and Dennis really discuss the area code of the South Lake Tahoe Police Department? Someone’s memory, even if they have lived or currently live in South Lake Tahoe, is not proof that the area code has always been 530. The person that you spoke to today is mistaken. Several sites definitively state that in November of 1997 the 916 area code was split and the 530 area code was created at that time.

http://www.lincmad.com/newareacodes.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/530_area_code

http://areacode.org/530

http://www.usa.com/530-area-code.htm

http://www.areacodehelp.com/where/area_code_530.shtml

 According to the Wikipedia entry, among the California towns that switched from the 916 area code to 530 in late 1997 were South Lake Tahoe, Auburn, and Placerville, CA. On Nanette’s Photobucket site, she has some old phone bills of Jack’s. There are a few calls to Auburn and Placerville showing that they had the 916 area code in 1996 and early 1997. 

This is a link to the cover of an old telephone book (from 1980) which covered Lake Tahoe, Soda Springs, and Truckee. The cover indicates that the area code for those locations was 916. It indicates that Crystal Bay had area code 702.
http://www.oldtelephonebooks.com/view/142

The fact that the poster was made after 1997 does not negate the possibility that it could have been created by the Zodiac.

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Juperter2 The SLTPD should know for a fact what their number has been 40+ years. I, again, talked several times w/ Roberson. This flyer with SLTPD ph# was circulating w/ that code c1971 thus they been taking tips on it 40yrs. Dennis grew up there, my family & pals who have gone to Tahoe for recreation etc since the 1960s. South Lake Tahoe area code 530 hasnt changed. Dispatcher been living there decades. Jupiter, whoever you are.....end of this silly discussion!
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Unless you are able to present documented proof of your assertion (e.g., a telephone bill with a S Lake Tahoe number or an advertisement for a local business in Tahoe pre- 1997) then what you have is hearsay and not evidence. It has been commonly accepted that the Lass reward poster is decades old, and I also accepted that as fact until I started researching the area code issue. I can find nothing (other than comments by people on the various Zodiac boards, which is not evidence in my eyes) to prove that the poster was, in fact, released in the 1970's, and what I can find suggests it was actually released much later. As I said above, even if it was made post-1997, that does not negate the possibility that the code could have been made by the Zodiac.
If you can dispute my facts with other facts, please do so, but to be dismissive and condescending when you are not presenting any evidence is puzzling.
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This is current Donna Lass open investigation info from SLTPD via their city govt site http://www.cityofslt.us/index.aspx?NID=541 Im not here to squabble over area code nor have net service to read replies at this time. If understand correctly the 1971 flyer was possibly scanned w updated area code 1990s to re-ignite the Lass/Zodiac connection/investigations & techiques to see if writing altered accidentally or not may be in process. That said....it is a map code that matches Tarrance symbols AND South Lake Tahoe PD take tips on this code, have done so for decades.
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I think this has gone on long enough. Jupiter you have to admit that it is an old flyer even for 1997, so that would indicate that a old flyer was revived with the Depatment's new info sometime after the area code change, or why not release an updated version with color pics and more recent composites since the first SFPD one that was released in 1969???

I think here that far to much analytics have gone into this flyer, and no one knows the origin of the message contained therein... I do believe that I see identical "W's" in the message that would indicate it was a font pattern used unless the real symbols have been altered for our perception. Either way, it is strange that anyone would know Z's code to imitate it, and I do not know what to make of it yet.

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On the contrary, I think the origin and authenticity of the poster and the code it contains are very important, especially if using that code to try to solve the disappearance of Donna Lass. You will note that in my original post I merely said how it bothered me that I was never able to find definitive proof of the origins, and how the area code on the poster was particularly puzzling. I never said the poster wasn't authentic, nor that the code wasn't Z's. I would have left my statement at that but had to elaborate because catseye told me my opinion was silly, I was wrong, and I should stop talking about it, even though she offered no evidence to show otherwise. My point was, other than people on Zodiac boards saying the poster was made by the Lass family, there is no paper trail (police or news reports) about its origins. My comment was meant to stimulate a discussion and some research to help figure out where it came from and perhaps, by extension, help to add further weight to (Redacted)'s solve. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
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That is an odd poster indeed. It has all of the earmarks of being JT101, time/date stamp, snide sentences about the police being sure they can solve and successfully prosecute etc. Would be helpful to have the provenance.

I've read some mention about the fact that Donna Lass rhymes with Donner Pass. Also I've read that there are rhyming links to clues in the OCCK case. These rhyming links are most definitely a part of all of the cases that are linked and they do relate to what John Douglas' book Mind Hunter talks about. To a newbie or an outsider they tend to make the person pointing them out seem somewhat crazy, a point that I think the killer relished.


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Nanette, that area that Lass was supposed to be buried in is a manageable size. If she was truly buried there, I think that they could have easily found her remains. I tend to think that finding her remains would hinge on interpreting his cryptic message and applying it to an alternate location.

Peak(peek) through the pines. Is there a  mountain or hill peak that's visible from that area as you peek through the pines? If her remains were on the surface, wild animals would have carried them off by now.

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I agree with you Jupiter on wanting to authentic the origin. I do notice however that (Redacted) has put up an older version of what looks to be a similar flyer. The font in the older flyer is different than the new flyer suggesting that just like Catseye said, "this new flyer (Redacted) used was a revival of an older version of the same thing." It still does not source the flyer, but suggests that the phone number on the new one is most definitely a mute point at this juncture.

I appreciate that you come in with questions that makes us have to verify things, so don't think that you are not giving me a run for my money Jupiter, or that I don't welcome it.

TerryB, I caught on fairly quickly to the rhyming and poetic references that the Zodiac plays with, and this is one of the most talked about significant characteristics of all the other crimes we speak about. Even if it doesn't rhyme it is in a poetic style or way of writing.

The location that (Redacted) shows from the vantage point of pulling off the freeway and stopping, you can see 2 peaks beyond the cluster of pines which does coincide with the given message. I do not see any other peaks aside from these two in that given area. The messages are morphing into more messages, and I tend to think that you are right TerryB. The first ones were meant to steer you into wrong directions, but the further you go, the more they reveal. I am starting to think that there is some truth to what is being ciphered. We shall see...

I have been working extensively on the organization of JT's belongings into the timeline of all the cases we discuss. I have reached 11 binders - 1" to 3" thick, so I might not respond to quickly to posts, but I will get to them.

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"Look Round in the snow". A storm sewer drain cover? A rocky 'round' ridge that sticks out in the snow? An outcropping? A man made structure that's round? Perhaps visible from the sky? Try Google earth.

I've read that a false grave was found in the Lass case. Perhaps the Groucho snowman card has a clue to this mystery?

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