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Initially, I was puzzled by your response because it seemed to miss the point of what I was trying to convey. But I went back and re-read my post and I see how my first 2 sentences could be construed as trying to start trouble. It honestly was not my intent and for that, I apologize to both you, Nanette, and catseye.

I merely wanted to encourage you, Nanette, to continue to examine things piece by piece, in a methodical fashion as you have been doing. I didn't want you to be distracted by information that may not be accurate or pertinent. I know you don't need me to watch your back in that fashion, but I have always been appreciative of the fact that you have continued to allow me to participate in the discussions even though we often disagree. Despite the abuse you have received over the last few years, you have continued to be open to ideas from others even when they conflict with your own. I respect that and just wanted to offer encouragement. From what you said, I can see that you are actively sorting through the information and discarding what is not helpful, which I am happy to see.
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I also appreciate your insight Jupiter, it forces me to analyze my thoughts and evidence making sure each step of the way that it does not rule JT out when it comes to my proposals or make the proper exclusions. I was recently told that I should convey all my theories, and because no one is ever 100% correct, it is ok if I am not right on some of the theories. But, I must put it all out there, and exclude as evidence becomes clear to do so.

Right now, I am enamored with *'s solve simply due to the context of the message. I know that the phonetic reading of it can be assumed to be a theory *believes that the cipher/code is trying to convey, and this is a valid complaint. What I am shocked over is that with the crude reading of it, it is in fact readable. Which is far more than anyone else has come up with. Also, the detection of cipher then morph into anagram and finally word game, is exactly the type of game Z would play, so it in a way confirms the very solve. Also, you have to keep in mind the system on Oranchak.com only allows for symbol/letter substitution, and no one had a key. *'s scrabble like solve not only revealed a message, but an attempt at an identity. Change one symbol/letter, and the message becomes unreadable, so there isn't anyway for *to force fit JT's phonetic name in the solve, and that is one things I know for sure. I have played with it at lengths, and no matter what I do, I cannot make any words out of it like *did. So, if JacDaragoence is what came about by virtue of symbol to letter placement, and we have a coherent message, there is no reason to discount what appears to be a formal name that closely fits JT, my main suspect.

You have to remember, I have not worked on the ciphers like others, but I have seen many claims of a solve that had no premise or logical step-by-step solve or accountable solution. I was very skeptical with *on the initial 340 solve, but that came to a quick end with the solve on the 32 cipher that I just posted in his thread. Not only is the message concise and legible unlike the 340, but the confirmations are huge. Like the reference to the Community Center Day Park that really does exist in N. Vallejo, and based on the measurements applied to the symbols seems to have landed in what would be an excellent place to take out a school bus with a bomb. My only pondering at this point which I brought to *'s attention is that I do not know if there was an overpass in 1969 where his measurements landed like we see in today's google maps. This is another of those points that needs to be investigated to determine or make a confirmation. Maybe an overpass wasn't necessary. I think I will take a trip out to see the location and see if it fits with the bomb schematic as presented by Z.

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I will only respond to real people here, thus so far thats Nanette & *. Due to what is known about ZK communications such as processed by LE before any of them were published, how papers/books printing process can alter symbols/letters etc I can see how JTs 7 with line in it would look like reversed F. My Noam Chomsky stance still applies: once you understand the creator of a communication, then you can easilly fill in the puzzle pieces they meant for you to logically follow. Jack Tarrance message was created by him. Enigma cipher was created by someone in-turn homophonic substition created by someone & so on, so, Jacks system is unique & new.
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I will definitely add more on *32 solve as time permits. I like what I see so far. Great work done!
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Nanette & *: Are you refering to BAT instead of BUT on the letter page with the 32 when discussing bomb schematic? I believe that was a logical clue that helped me add up to Jac Walkr T in older solve using reversed letters, single letters, dots near a in word BAT etc.
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I am loving the logical use of the 3/4 shaded square as 45 degrees symbol & x as crossing as well as how * found the map symbols mixed with anagram code. "The map coupled with the code." In my years of trying to understand Jacks ciphers & puzzles, I looked at map symbols, posted about them online, posted about JT orienteering skills that require maps....anyway *has found how the 32 code puzzle pieces fit. Great work (Redacted)!
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Wow! The symbol in the 32 code I thought was Omega is logically an old horseshoe magnet. Like Jack the Zodiac said on Phillips 66 map its set at Magnetic North. *places that symbol for North. Absolutely amazing!
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As per *request for clearest copies of "My name is...z13": http://psychologycorner.com/evil-games-my-name-is-cipher/ Looks clearer than most "My name is..." online copies but maybe its my device Im using. That said, this copy found at Phsychology Corner is from OpordAnalytical which page no longer exists.
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Missed posts - Catseye, don't say things like, "I will only respond to real people here." Please... This only provokes infighting, and you are just as guilty of it. Do not bash others thoughts or theories, instead find the logic where they may be wrong and present it.

Also Catseye, we were not talking about the 32 code cipher with "BAT". First I was talking about "Bat." from the bomb schematic and the unusual nature of it because it would have been a capacitor/the symbol for/long or shorthand writing of. Please don't attempt to correct what you think we were talking about because it was plainly clear what the conversation covered. I was looking to confirm industry standard to show that not only the Zodiac diverted from it, but Jack did it the same exact way.


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Nanette: The North Vallejo Community Center day park info is sure bringing back alot of memories as spent lots of time in the region as a kid. I dont recall an overpass in 1969. If you go there, hope you get pics & post them. The work **** is doing is like breaking an old dam & the deluge of info is hard to keep up with but I sure love practically drowning in it! I think this is the year Zodiac cases close. How can FBI, LE, deny whats in the new code breaks, recent evidence & old evidence that Tarrance was Zodiac?
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Yes, I am assimilating myself with the specifics of the area. I grew up in Napa, and for the most part, a Kaiser baby because my father worked for the state. My orthodontist was in Novato at the end of Hwy 37, and we would climb on from Hwy 29 off of Hwy 12. I had **** crossing point wrong. His cross occurred at Hwy 80 and Hwy 680 which is really a bypass before Vallejo and shorter route from Sacramento into Benicia and Martinez. It is miles from Hwy 37 with a mountain in between that includes American Canyon Rd. where my best friend currently lives, and a truck stop for break checks before taking the steep decline into Vallejo. The first exit you hit as you descend down Hwy 80 West is Hwy 37. I guess in my faulty perception of the map that I looked at, I assumed the wrong freeway. 

No matter though because the 680 has been around at least since the Zodiac era. This is the very Hwy Lake Herman Rd. is off of where we know Zodiac has already committed crimes.

However, I still note that the coincidental skip across a Hwy blood zone during the Zodiac era is right up my alley. I have been looking out for the "accidents" Zodiac has talked about and until now, hadn't been made aware of such a group of them. Now I think looking for strange arsons and burglaries are in order as well. 


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I finally was able to sit down & go over the amazing lightening fast developments of *code breaks for about an hour this afternoon. I can follow the latin anagram of bottom 18 because other ZK researchers saw latin Orietm (Orientum) in it, thought it was a clue & I sure followed many trails down the latin road to understand the possibilities of why JT would do this in his communications. As they say, things happen for a reason & if that door wasnt open for me, I would have trouble digesting a double latin anagram solve. But *nailed it and found Jacks name, like Zodiac said would be there.....44 years ago. Good job!
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In brushing up on Latin today, I was reminded about double vowels seen, dipthongs & e sometimes e is pronounced as long A just among some of Latin basics. When saw this I noticed in codes & cipher what people thought was mispelt words could be clues to try looking at Latin to break code(s) reveal msgs. Even if applying latin alphabet transliteration of Washoe language clues of area JT was known to work/stay in circa 1969, the area 1st europeans here used Latin as universal language like how English is now the universal language it still points out Latin as a big clue because Indians dont have an alphabet. English has alot of Latin in it as well as latin based words. I cant wait to see what (Redacted) comes up with next!
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The letter "E" was a huge misspelling by Zodiac that was nothing more than a ruse in his communications just like the ciphers. This is nothing new, and everyone including me knows it!
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Nanette I got same msg from (Redacted). I told him that I am unafraid of what the future holds because of the CIA details finally being revealed in the z408 & z32. Long before Jack officially became a suspect many people believed ZK had some sort of high govt connection. I am feeling so vindicated by his work on breaking JTs codes this aids my fearlessnes. Anyway, the z32 secondary msg about Jack being CIA, his name showing up, again is amazing. IMO, I believe I see a secondary CIA (th-C e-A i-I) msg in main part of 408 but I will leave that up to (Redacted) expertise.
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