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Jupiter

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Nanette- I don’t know that the pendulum, as TerryB suggested, is in any way related to the ciphers or codes. I was just advancing the information should he or someone else want to pursue it to see if such a relationship existed. I also don’t know that Chevreul’s Pendulum is exactly what Jack was doing, but the use of the pendulum and the circle with the + symbol as a means of getting in touch with his “subconscious mind” is something Dennis has described (in those same terms) on his board when this symbol was brought up there years ago. I learned of Chevreul through those posts and looked into it on my own, at the time. DK went into a little detail as to how Jack would lay his arm flat on the table and hold the penny with the string over the paper, watching which way it would sway. This is identical to the method used for Chevreul’s Pendulum. That Jack may not have used it exactly as it was intended by Chevreul (eg, for assessing his suggestibility to hypnosis) doesn’t negate the similarities to this method, nor does it mean I am saying Jack didn’t use it for self- hypnosis. I was just commenting that if he did, that was not the original intent of the method. 
As catseye said, the CW refers to "clockwise". I don't know what the "I" stands for in "CWI". 

As for that specific book citation, I provided it in case anyone wanted to look into it further. I felt that book would be a good starting place. From what little I have read on the subject, the person using the pendulum could ask themselves any question, so I think what is written within the circles may be individual to the person using it. What Jack was making reference to with the things he wrote, only he knows.

In terms of (Redacted) work, my concerns refer specifically to things like what he believes are anagrams. He says on his site that he arrived at his conclusion about the "Taurus symbols" based upon conversations with catseye and what she says Dennis told her. What worries me about that is if he then went into working on that particular portion with Jack in mind, rather than coming to Jack’s name organically. Does that make sense? In a court of law, the suspect should be arrived at through analysis of the information. Start blank, with no one in mind, and find who the evidence points to. This seems a little more like taking the suspect and seeing if the information could be analyzed to fit him, which could pose credibility issues for the solves down the road. Sure, every detective allows bias to enter into an investigation once they have an idea of who they think committed the crime. Sort of a, "how do we prove it was him" mentality and there's probably nothing wrong with that once there is a mountain of evidence against a particular suspect. But in the Zodiac case, just given all of the misinformation, competing theories, lost evidence, etc., over all these years, I think it is all the more important to retain objectivity to really lock in and prove without question what is truth and what is theory.
Not sure I explained that well, but I hope you get my point.

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I gotcha Jupiter, somehow I read it to mean that you were indicating this was JT's method. I do believe that he had a preconceived idea about the Z13 because of Catseye's solve, but I did not send this code to him until well after the first half of the 340 was solved, so as you indicated once an avenue appears you tend to be bias in further research especially when someone else has discovered the same thing already. He merely went off the way JT supposedly claimed to work those Taurus symbols and went from there. Honestly, there are not a lot of names you can make with the 10 limited letters and 3 wild card symbols. It is the weakest of the solves alone and by itself; however, it is significant when other cipher/codes/anagrams indicate the same thing. The Z32 was decoded before the Z13 and they are both saying the same thing as the 340 and 408. They are very linear messages as TerryB had indicated.

You explained it great Jupiter. I knew I had to have misinterpreted something somewhere, but you made perfect sense of your post. Sorry about that!

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My apologies for being z408 & z32 cipher/code off topic BUT (Redacted) RACKED DONNA LASS REWARD z34 CODE & IT TELLS WHERE A BODY IS LOCATED! I believe he's contacted South Lake Tahoe PD. More details later. See his website. Start a new thread soon!
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I do not know if the "BOMB" is a body, or a info bomb, but I do believe that a missing person or murder is what it would take to get people to pay attention to it. I am still unsure about the origin of the flyer, but if it truly can be decoded to a location, and it was sent by the family, then I suspect it was asking Zodiac to meet them there. Either way, it has coded out to a specific location.
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http://t.co/nVIxRhMkl3 Here is link to my Z32 Quarternary Solve 8:25 pm (finally got it uploaded here!)

Nanette and all who read this, the solve may be out of context but here it goes: Instead of Exp Forward to John FAGIO MKULTRA CIA at Dow Inc my solve is: "Exp Forward to John F (Kennedy) Attorney General (Robert Kennedy) I.O. MKUltra CIA At Dow Inc. " I.O. is latin phrase In Illo Ordine for "respectively in order" and Robert Kennedy was investigating CIA Ops in USA & among his investigations into CIA findings were Dow Chemical was part of illegal dioxin research & experiments on inmates at Holmesberg prison early 1950s to 1971. See my graph above (cant upload it! Darn it!). It appears Jack had access to lots of CIA info and z32 contents was classified, certainly not publically available when Zodiac Tarrance did the letter with these symbols.
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Why all of the redaction's? A falling out with Loren?
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I have only a theory about what happened with *..... We should only refer to him on here as *
I did not to my knowledge have any falling out with CodeAngel (as we will respectively refer to him) from here on out.

I worked with this man for 4 months providing him information on Jack as well as Catseye. Then one day, after many hour long phone calls, I emailed him after a week of no contact, and no answer... Then I texted him, and no answer... Then I called him, and no answer... The following day or two, I received a simple email from him asking me to take his name, emails, and etc. off my message board.

I knew he had planned to write a book on the solves, and thought maybe this is why he doesn't want it on a public domain, but no response left me seriously wondering what was going on. I emailed him a couple times asking him what was going on, and his only response was to remove everything. I started redacting his name, but the task was too big for one sitting, and I have a job, family, grandfather sent home to me on hospice with months to live, and somewhere in there I should find time for myself, let alone, taking down all of * stuff. This didn't happen soon enough...

Next, I get a message from the website letting me know that * had filed a complaint about removing his items because I "purportedly did not have his permission." I provided proof that I did indeed have explicit permission to promote his solves and him. So, * is the next all time liar in the group.

Next, I get a message that I should remove his solves from certain links as the website administer suggested. I then provided emails that support that * was not working on his own accord after the 340 first half solve. I also contacted an attorney to find out my rights because it seemed rather unfair that Catseye and I had put so much energy and time into this man, and he was now claiming all the work to be his own. I never heard back from the website administer again, and truly thought it was over.

But then, I received an email from Bart that stated I was defaming my clients on this message board. I explained what * was doing, and Bart's response was, "he knew there was a back story, and he would not be calling *, and he was my friend and supporter."

I had presumed in the interim of this message from Bart that * must be referring to Dennis Kaufman because I would never defame anyone first off let alone my clients. Anything said about Dennis Kaufman here is the truth, and could not ever be misconstrued as defamation. First, Dennis Kaufman never paid me a dime for any services, he only used and abused my good nature and time. Second, anything I have to say is the truth as I know it.... Sorry,*, you have teamed up with the wrong individual.

My theory that he wants to make money from this rings loud and clear if you consider that * dumped me for no apparent reason, and began defending the likes of Dennis. That is his bad, and he will find out shortly just as Catseye did.

Funny though that * only points to the 340 solve thread when there isn't much here about DK, and there are so many other threads that he could have complained about. I think it was a try at taking down the 340 thread once again because he wasn't successful with the website administrator. Either way, if * wants to tell on me, he should at least tell someone who cares.... I have a quarter for him! LOL

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No offense but none of that surprises me. I could point to a lot of reasons for this. * gave away all of his information on the internet. He or his attorneys would now be fraudulent to claim it all as his intellectual property exclusively. I'm not saying a certain portion of his work isn't exclusively his, however, he certainly relied on your forum to promote his ideas. Now he or they wanna ditch his associates? His workmanship would be "out on a limb" without your workmanship.... is what I would say. His work is a bit too esoteric to be delivered to the public as a complete story.

Sorry to bring it up again but you know I differ greatly with catseye and her wild conclusions but the fact is ....is her statement about the Ramsey ransom note was what spurred me to 'look again'. So.....no matter how much I dislike her, she played a role in that pathway. However, I give her no more credit on that subject because she prefers to embellish other things and has been muted on the JT initial study and that's just fine with me.

This is why I limited my enthusiasm for *. Furthermore: the 340 cipher still has unsolved portions to it.

I think it's TV's forum that has a thread calling him the "latest Jackass" like they have one like that on me. It's a liars forum, distortion of our statements is their biggest offense. However, it does draw attention to our work, so I take it as mostly positive.

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CodeAngel who helped light a darkened path....book soon. Anyway I got some rearranging to present later (codewise).
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One can't write a book and not acknowledge the works of other key people in this subject.....well, one can but it would be a dis-service to do so, not only to others and the subject(s) but to a book itself.  Even the role played by Graysmith, Voight or Steve Hodel would be good to touch on but in a positive way. Why get oneself muddy trying to set one's work apart from others work?

He may have been miffed by having others pipe in on his work? I'm not sure because I didn't follow his work real closely but from what I could tell; he seemed to have applied a sensible approach. Maybe he doesn't see the Ramsey connection? That doesn't matter to me because I don't hinge my work on his.

I see the Ramsey case, Zodiac case, Chicago Lipstick and Black Dahlia case facts in great parallel to the work and workmanship of Steve Hodel. I'm mostly in agreement with him, except I don't think his dad did the deed. I'm not sure his dad was even involved and certainly his dad was set up as a patsy, that how I see it. He'd now have to back-peddle to eliminate his dad, I hope someday he'll do that, I hope he'll recognize some of the points I've made about his dad. He seems to be a basically honorable person? Maybe his dad was trying to send his sister a message about men? His dad was acquitted in a court of law.

* might be getting faulty legal advice too, I don't really know? Maybe he's sensitive to the "latest jackass" thread. I take it as a badge of honor when one considers the people involved in writing such a thing. Notice that whomever they are, they've followed and cited many details on my work, even though they distort and mislead.

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Nanette- as you know I am high above w/ the starz & reception is iffy. So I wish to add that CodeAngel z32 primary msg findings may logically not end in Zodiac symbol as it is like JTs Z13 as sideways T w/ O AND as per Dennis it contains chamoflauged E sooo... 1st msg ending reads To E/east. 2nd msg then logically is not "I'Ve" but upside down y & v shape in Vallejo hwy system & "not goton" but go to N/north as directions lead u to I80 North and this goes straight to S. Lake Tahoe area where JT stayed.
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We will see who is named, what, when & the where-fors & whys in "CodeAngel" book. That said, he apparently only dealt w/ real people, so comments by avatars, & online aliases may not have any credibility for a real book so its left out. Glad I am a real person that stands up & out there, unafraid to show my face. To say the least, CodeAngel is already getting immense publicity from naysayers. I am gonna enjoy the ride.
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Well, * has certainly become one of them... I bet he had no intention on working this to a close, he just needed information that coincided with his solves as they unfolded, not to mention, the keys to how JT did it... Anagrams, Cryptograms, Ciphers, Codes, Word Puzzles, and Word Games. Funny that his first book actually has the word "Cryptogram" in the title, and he had no such thought of that type of solve when he contacted me. Actually, he had none of the different types of solves as listed above.

The only thing * had going for himself was too much time on his hands and the OranChack.com Zodiac Webtoy to play with... After that, he was stuck!

Anagrams were introduced to him via the Harden solve when I indicated that the "My Name Is" cipher was thought to be an anagram per Catseye, and that the last 18 letters of the Harden solve came up to be random letters just as the second half of the 340 had for him. This gave him an avenue to work on that proved to solve out to Time Perite Obite EHH. This solve gave headway to the 340 random text in the second half. Then you have the word game described by Catseye on the "My Name Is" cryptogram that he used and copyrighted as his solve. Next, he has learned that turning the symbols in different directions gave way to different messages if used in the same context as the previous solves. Funny, I would call that word puzzles/games.

One of the word games I found in the Highlights magazine gave a description of "see how many letters/numbers/words can be made out of this" which reminds me seriously of the 3 wild card symbols found in the "My Name Is" cryptogram/anagram/word game. 

He sure has it all wrapped up as something he did all by himself. Then tries to claim I am defaming people which is not true; however, he is borderline with his claims and complaints he is attempting to file...But, he still hasn't said a word to me as to why he would use me for information and then turn his back like I never existed???

The internet shows that his url is back up http://www.zodiac-340-cipher-solution.com with a new book to be released in 2-4 weeks titled "Zodiac 340 Cryptogram-Cipher Section."

I am guessing that he is first releasing what he did using OranChak.com and there is subsequent books to come.

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Nanette, you have to admit * has had tenacity when it came to working on the things he did. I'd guess that whatever, of should I say whomever his book publisher is, they're trying to steer him to their way of thinking.

I appears that he got TV's  site to remove the "latest jackass" thread about him.

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I've pretty much stayed out of this part of the conversation because I have nothing positive to say about these "solves".
However, I wanted to point out that the "book" that this person is promoting is being done through a "vanity publisher" (lulu.com). Basically, it is a self published book that he is paying the publisher to put together. They print it "on demand", so if 1 person orders it, they print 1 copy. If no one orders it, they print no copies. 
ANYONE can self-publish a book nowadays. You can string together 1000 nonsense sentences, pay them to put those sentences in a book and then sell that book on Amazon and any other website you want to advertise it on. A self- published book does not have to be good or even readable to get out in the marketplace.
The vast majority of self- published authors make less than $500 off of their books, and this doesn't take into account the amount of money they spent to have the book published. 
It is highly unlikely that this book will have any kind of audience. 

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