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Keeping with the Japanese theme with the Mikado and such, and the love of Jack who bared the thought that the military and the USA kept him away from his only love in Japan.

I may be considered by most to be naïve and narrow minded, and by others as thinking way outside of the box, I had an epiphany this evening not even thinking about these case.

I am fully stuffed, nearly comatosed with delicious food when I view a Christmas commercial about a Citizen Watch...

This naturally takes me to places where most of us who know these cases go... The letter "A Citizen". I wonder how long these watch makers have been in business??? Like I don't know that they must be the down line of ultimate creators based on the fact that they have a perfect commercial on primetime.

The history of this watch yields Japan... Jack's first and only love.... His claim to fame was being in Okinawa between the Bauerdorf murder and the anniversary letter.

So inclined to understand this communication, I decided to look at the persona of this letter. I found the Badlands movie message. While we all know that the author is simply jealous that fakes would receive the accreditation that he so deserved, but it served as an identificational message.

In search of the Badlands, I found that the creator of this movie is a Terrence Malik. I think this will be the next message I set the cipher hounds on based on the hyphen usage that seems to indicate a reason to look here... Bottom line, I still can't make this s*** up. Author chose to point out this movie of all movies, Tarrance writing about Terrence. Call me kookoo!!!

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"Citizen" letter as in "Citizen watches". Wow, you've been hanging around catseye too much, ha ha. Just kidding. No...that makes sense to me with what we currently know. I like the idea. BTW, who manufactured the Zodiac watch that ALA and Robert Hall Starr were wearing? Very good Nanette, very good indeed!
     BTW, under eating is the first key to happiness, especially in the food abundant US. I was pretty well behaved about food yesterday but I did graze most of the day and I feel fine today.

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Nanette, I think that many of the statements and clues given by Zodiac Jack have a meaning. I think these same things "fall into place" with what we currently know. Things like his use of the word "consternation" and "I'm in control of all things", etc etc. They tell a story, as story that give us all an overview of what he was all about and especially what his associates were all about. I see his formulation of this trail going right back to the first crimes he was involved in.
     There's an overview of the Manson murder that parallels the Zodiac murders and the Ramsey murder by comparison: Even Geraldo Rivera was able to get Manson to say" "what the family wants, the family gets". Which was a strong hint that the so-called Manson murders were initiated by organized crime. LaBianca was reported to have a large unpaid gambling debt(a pair of dice slave?). And there's strong evidence that Polanski is not an honorable person. I'd still like paternity tests done on Sharon Tate's fetus. Also, the "two divas" hint on the Ramsey ransom note parallels the fact the the actual butchers in the Manson murders were women. Hybristophilia is the term that covers this type of behavior by the Manson women. 
     So, one can compile all of the seemingly odd terms and statements made by Zodiac Jack and explore what he might have meant by them.

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Well if they have meaning damn it why'd you call me Catseye, you fruit loop. Of course they have meanings and normally two. Thus the time reference as A Citizen. He is definitely threatening to come down on some politicians for things he knew about. Outwardly threatening for them to leave him alone at some point, I think. Still getting to the bottom of this, but new things unfold everyday if I just focus on the letters themselves. I believe that the Manson family was taken care of by Jack and there are definite identifying factors that suggests so.

Good luck on that paternity test BTW. 

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Last item first: Why the paternity test never seems to have happened is another piece of evidence that some wealthy people enjoy a certain amount of privileged over everyone else. It pisses me off and has made me apprehensive of guys like Bugliosi. Maybe it did happen and we don't know about it? But I doubt that the cops ever went there. Or were allowed to go there?. In the case files are pictures of a pregnant Sharon Tate, in her back yard, next to Jay Sebring, who is sporting a hard-on behind his speed-o's, this is where I'm coming from in this. Any true detective worth his salt is gonna look for motive. Add this to the overall behavior of Roman Polanski and I think my suspicions are well founded. Then add in later the "pass" that he got that allowed him to escape justice and hide out in Europe for the last several decades, the same of which; really and truly pisses me off!
     I'm not directly calling you catseye, I'm merely commenting that this kind of a connection is the sort of thing that she would delve headlong into. Except...that her tangent ramblings tended to undermine her initial discovery.
    For example: For a long time now I've realized that the poetic and rhyming clues from Zodiac Jack are very very valid. It's just that I know from a practical standpoint that if I "go there" a little too much, others will label me another catseye type of a person...hell...some already do! So...in order not to undermine things, I explore the evidence that doesn't tend to be "self-undermining" regarding the aforementioned.
     You gotta admit that these cases suffer from TMI, meaning, of course; "too much information". And...this same load of information requires that a good foundation of basic information has to be first in place. But I repeat, your "citizen" connections is probably very very valid and is a terrific find. You've also got to admit; that my influence on you has also caused you to look at things differently these days. It also frightened me too because I was feeling bad about the amount of rage it seemed to be bringing out in you.... there for awhile anyway. Now you seem to be back to your good ole "clinical" self, which is good. Certainly the emotional aspect of these cases, messes with all of us.

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Last item first: Rage is a strong word... That is what the Red Phantom had, but certainly not I. I do not want to waste any board space or image space on items that I have not considered. This is why... I have enough on my plate at this point, I do not know the background of the Goldman Sach's letter, and I just didn't want to rehash crap like JMK's handwriting because I have already looked at it. It doesn't fit. The handwriting on the ransom note as I will soon show has anniversary usage of letter forms used in previous crimes attributed to these cases. This is solid enough for me to conclude I do not have to look any further then where I am right now for that author. Anything else is a tremendous waste of time I feel, at least at this point. Like you said TerryB, you can only take in what you can take in at certain times.

You will not believe, or maybe you will, the things that Catseye has brought up, I generally dismiss unless I can see concrete connections. Lately however, things she has touched on in the past has been shinning through like you wouldn't believe. But, I had to come to those conclusion on my own because much of what she says is fantastical. It has taken some time for me to come around, but there is a method to some of her madness. Just like the information on the internet about these cases, you have to sort through the illogical to get to the logical.

You make connections to letters and symbols representing pictorial forms, and that is very subjective just as the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't jab at you, and I don't make remarks. What you see is what you see. I do not believe that you have changed my perception of these cases by any means as much as I have changed yours. You work on solidifying a JT nuance connection, but that can only take you so far, and they have been made for a very long time. It will be his life, coupled with what we know this killer has done, and who he has done it for or against that will make the most sense out of those nuances making them and your statements truer than life!

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Oh, the JMK handwriting was the furthest thing from my mind. Not to worry. That was brought up because I had forgotten that we had hashed that subject out quite some time ago. BTW, I only reviewed about 2 and 1/2 years of the Tracey/Karr emails to date.
     And, yes...I do believe what you'll say about catseye, because I trust your judgement. I once said that catseye is someone that can certainly make good contributions, it's, as you well know, kinda unfiltered with the way she writes about things. I feel kinda dumb about the Fabian thing, or should I say ignorant on that possible connection? It's like catseye was talking in code too when she goes off on some subjects.
     One of the most obvious things about her was that she would be condescending towards everyone except you and Dennis. She'd also do better to not be so territorial about these subjects. BTW, I was under the impression that she was gonna post here quite awhile ago now? What's up with that? I certainly don't hate her, I just don't wanna be snipped at, and I don't wanna have her leave things hanging without an explanation or qualifying remarks on things that she comes up with.

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Yes, I understand and dislike that side of her too. She can't disrespect anyone who is taking their precious life and time to participate in this mess created by these crimes. And, filtering is a huge desired trait not yet understood by Catseye. It is how it is written and connected that is so important, and her intention is lost in the rambling non-sensical statements that leaves one wondering how she got to where she is...
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Citizen letter shows one of the keys to the letters. It seems to be a grill cipher, anagram, or symbol exchange/anagram with other known symbols and solves. I am told that once the system is recognized, no matter what system he uses, the message keeps comin out with the same resolve.
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