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Where are those links, TerryB? I am dying to see what you found.
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http://horrorunlimited.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-black-dahlia-victim-of-gruesome-and.html

This link has the image of the newspaper headline: Set Murder Watch for 'Dahlia' Killer. I've had no luck obtaining that article on the net.

Our buddy Steve Hodel has a lot of interesting documents and clippings.  As you know; he also links the Black Dahlia case to the Zodiac killer case, the Chicago Lipstick case, etc, as do we. His handwriting presentation is weak (and wrong) as well as the picture he says he found in his amongst his fathers items that he says looks like E.Short, her family disputes that, as you know. His dad could have been involved but we know that George didn't pen the taunting notes. His dad could have been the one that performed the fake hysterectomy on E. Short. Notice all of the gruesome and similar murders that occurred after the BD murder. I think the target of the crime certainly could have been  Chandler jr., it makes the most sense.

I found more useful links via Google images than I did on a direct search, check it out. More later.



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Oh, ok, I thought you had found legible articles... I have probably found them too in my escapades. The headline is definitively suspicious because for the media to have recognized this was not like giving a "Name" to the killer like "Black Dahlia Murderer" or "Red Phantom Murderer", but almost a calling card of some sort like "hope it doesn't snow" or the "Zodiac" which was referenced by a time motive as well much later down the road. Sounds to me like they knew who they were dealing with from the beginning, and maybe all these details were withheld from the public so as to preserve the "integrity" of the case.

I was just turned on to someone named Whitey [sic?], a mob syndicate out of Boston who was an FBI informant that was allowed to do what ever he wanted with the utmost protection. I know this has been substantiated just like our president who said, "there was no such thing as the mafia" so I am not a conspiracy theorist or nutcase when this is all for public viewing today. So, I keep saying that JT was protected. The real question is, "by who?" LK was closed erroneously by the FBI on Bill Hierens, FBI tried to erroneously close the Anthrax case on Ivins, and the FBI has drug it's feet in the investigation into Jack Tarrance as the Zodiac for more than 14 years now with more than adequate evidence to support and warrant an intensive investigation. This saying, the other case with high profile individuals wrapped around them should be considered due to these factors, and JT heavily investigated for them too!

TerryB, I did notice several similar instances of murders with the same jurisdictional issues, different but similar MO's to the cases we discuss, and communication involved along the way. This would be the Red Lipstick Killer and Red Phantom, and Riverside Killer. Come on, LE should have a better link-analysis system than this, and connect the dots. You can easily see how the communications advanced in taunt, length, boldness, and description. This is a sure sign of a killer that is becoming stronger in his methods and more bold, brazen, and unconcerned about getting caught.

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Nanette, I think that Steve Hodel's compilation is well worth studying. The handwriting samples he compares aren't at all strong. He does have transcripts of the wire taps placed on Dr George Hodel's phone and it's plain that Dr George was up to some illegal activities, like abortions etc. A whole bunch of related documents that are new to me can be found on Steve Hodel's sites. They are Zodiac Jack 101 in structure, and ripe with "fanciful" JT clues and definitely related to the Black Dahlia case. The total sum of the documentations points right to Jack Tarrance. The fact that E.Short had a phoney hysterectomy accurately done to her and the fact that she was severed cleanly and carefully does point to a medical person but then add to that the crudely carved up body with messages embossed on it makes the whole thing look like more than one person was involved, it's all too staged, IMHO. It's made to look like something it's not. It was reported by the coroner that she was not pregnant, so why the hysterectomy? I think it was because Norman Chandler or some other wealthy person was the target of extortion, that way this highly organized crime makes perfect sense given all of the evidence.

As you well know; "Set Murder Watch for Dahlia Killer" is a strikingly Zodiac Jack 101 theme, a reoccurring theme. Since Dr George Hodel was dead by the time some of these murders occurred, especially JBR, then we know Dr Hodel is excluded as a primary suspect. Hodel could have had a role in the BD murder but he certainly didn't pen the notes etc, or have made the taunting phone calls, his voice was known to the cops at that point in time. I haven't seen any evidence that Hodel was an out and out killer. Dr Hodel was more of a successful businessman and he was a womanizer, maybe a killer too but again; there's no solid evidence of him being a killer. He knew his phone was tapped and I think he "played" with the cops over that fact. Otherwise, as I have said, Steve Hodel and us are on the same page in linking the same crimes, except of course the latter ones. There are just too many "Jack" and especially JT initial clues that are laced throughout the crimes in question, far too many to be ignored.


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Hodel does have some good stuff, and this may be due to his affiliation with LAPD or he could be the TV of Zodiac for the BD case. It certainly seems that he has been able to get more info than the average person, and he seems hard pressed to make it fit his father. I do not know why anyone would spend time forcing a fit that is an obvious attempt to sway the public unless being paid with sooo many errors like the photo he claims to be BD which is very apparent that it is not.

Like TV, who runs several suspects on his site, with the obvious exclusion of JT who is a valid suspect with the FBI, pretty much solidifies my stance that he too is involved in the mass public disinformation scheme that we see going on. Top that with the bashing of DK, Catseye, and myself, and you definitely have a campaign going on.

Unlike me, I do not allow personal issues or hatred for another to dictate the investigation, and this is why I say that TV's board is not actively investigating anything. If he was attempting to do a public service, he has failed immensely. The conversations, based on what others have told me, run along a 5 year old mentality and premise. Like the kids on the playground who were bullies in school... At least the bullies in school would meet you face to face!

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Nanette, the photo thing and the handwriting thing is where Hodel's case is weak, otherwise I think he's on track. More later.
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Nanette, for me, it's the evidence in the Ramsey case that steers me in the right direction. We know that John Mark Karr was part of a conspiracy, the Daxis emails prove that. I agree with your statements in general. I'd like to give Steve Hodel the benefit of a doubt. I say that based on the fact that he's linked the Chicago Lipstick, Black Dahlia and the Zodiac killer cases, and he's one of the few to do so. He may know more about his dad that he wants to say, I suspect the same of DK.

Missing from Steve Hodel's work is the  the angle that we have on these crimes. As you well know, JT 101 clues are prevalent in these cases. There's a good chance that Dr George Hodel had a role in the BD case and perhaps some of the other cases as well. No single investigator can put all this stuff together all by themselves. I plan to read Steve's books because a lot of his findings and reasoning that runs in parallel to ours. He needs to recognize the JT clues, we need to see some things that he probably has that we don't have. Via him, I've recently discovered some key documents that he has that reinforce our case, there's no doubt about that. Would I let him dump our basket...no, not if I can help it. He certainly seems sincere in the video's I've seen. I am apprehensive about the fact that his message dominates the Google and Yahoo search engines to name two. Perhaps his credentials as a former Detective influence that. He blows it with the photo thing, that's very clear and he blows it with the handwriting thing. Perhaps the handwriting thing had a JT influence? The letters he compares don't match up, that's for sure. Sorry Steve, I don't mean that in a mean or condescending way.....well....maybe I do? It would be cool if we could get him to see some things our way, that's for sure. Either way, the truth will eventually prevail. I do see the E. Short murder as being staged and I do see the contradictions in the way she was carved up. If she drowned in her own blood as the reports state, blood would have been coughed up and made a big mess. The evidence shows her corpse was kept on ice or in icy water. I think she got too close to the Chicago Lipstick case and it cost her her life. There's no doubt that her corpse was placed to send a message or two, probably false messages as well. That being said, we then look for the most sensible motive(s).This is gangland stuff, that's for sure.

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Nanette, I really don't and never have taken TV seriously. Yes, he comes off like he has a 5 year old mentality. It's probably a put on, but maybe not, very sad either way.

If it wasn't for the two main flaws in Hodel's presentation, I'd be liking the guy a lot. I don't wanna turn the guy off if I don't have to..... because the main body of his message is good. The "Heaven is Here" thing is also very much so Zodiac Jack 101.....loud and clear. His point about the Minotaur poising of BD's upper body is well taken. I see Jacks' initials in the poising of the body parts too.

Just yesterday morning I saw a local radio station KDWB billboard that had the upper portion of the body a dancing woman shaped/poised like the Minotaur thing. I though man.....this is too much of a coincidence, somebody's f'ing with me!

Then, did you pick up on the Herald Express/Trenton St thing as it links/relates to the Trenton NJ/Anthrax case? Four line address box,double postage, same handwriting, complete with fanciful JT initial clues and nuances?! I'd bet you did noticed the Trenton thing too.

JT worked to leave a irrefutable trail, and he did it loudly and clearly in the Daxis emails too. Way too many coincidences, way too many!

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Nanette, I'm leaning heavily in the direction that Steve Hodel is really full of it. He compares a period piece photo of his dad showing a small mustache to the Zodiac killer composite, which of course; doesn't have a mustache! Dr George Hodel had a small mustache all of his entire adult life. This means that there's absolutely no way his dad could have been the Zodiac Killer. That composite was from at least two witnesses and one was a SF police officer! And this man calls himself a detective! How goofy is that?! He fails to prove his case by that one comparison alone! As you know, the composite is strikingly similar to the image of Jack Tarrance and the physical description of the Zodiac killer matched Tarrance exactly and in great detail.
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Somehow **** found a color composite that an artist rendered based on SFPD's sketch. I think it's pretty freakin cool, and dead on JT. Of course, minus the black rimmed glasses because these were not colored in by the original artist for a reason, and that's because they were not black rimmed glasses.

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Hodel fails on many account, and one would be the age of his father, on top of all the rest of the items you have named TerryB.

Yes, the addressing on the BD postcard when compared to the Anthrax mailings were a home run for me. The handwriting, the cross connections, and the locations. There isn't just one coincidence, there are many...

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Nanette, I've found samples of Georgette's handwriting on a couple of Black Dahlia sites, it seems to me that Steve Hodel has them posted on some of his pages, most of which I've found via a search of Google images, also try Yahoo images etc.

If you look closely at the letter 'c' in the word Victory on the last page, you can see that it's the letter 'j' laid on it's side, the tip of it intersects the letter 't' which has a backwards hooked stem on it. This would be the second example of a backwards stemmed 't' on the ransom letter. I made a mistake on the words 'hell hole', it's the 'h's' that have this nuance, the first 'h' has a rather straight stem, the second has it curved under the letter 'o', these two form or imply a 'jt'. As I have stated in the past; the JBR ransom letter has no less than 23ea jt's formed by either intersection or proximity of one word over another, the second page has most of them, he spaced his words and lines to make this happen several times. Many secondary jt's are integrated throughout the documents, they are more subtle by I think they are reinforced by the sheer number of primary ones.

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Check these out: Somewhere I have better images of the Bauerdorf book. I did notice the description of the Jack guy as missing a finger, this could have been disinformation.00010423.jpg Jack mentioned-1.JPG red_book_1.jpg
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The latest, so-called, court ruling regarding ISP's is a blow to freedom of information, it's a subject that should be understood by anyone paying money to their ISP. This is why it's difficult to get true information via the most popular search engines and why web sites aren't getting the hit's they're entitled to. This is an issue that's nowhere settled. The spooky ISP people better watch their step, because they're begging for some competition, they're ripe for the plucking, so to speak. They already are overcharging for their service.

Here's a link to a site called 'Black Dahlia Solutions', I don't quite follow or agree with their interpretation regarding the cryptic portions of the killers documents but I am impressed by the fact that they've recognized that the messages are structural and cryptic. A link between the the Degan case and the BD case is something that Hodel can't claim as being his own idea, apparently that link was made by LE shortly after the BD murder. I've since found several other newspaper articles of the day. I'm mainly looking for any that have a reference to the name "Jack", even if they aren't accurate. Also any that relay the description of the perp. So far, the early ones describe a person that matches JT's description. I'm still looking for the last Fickling letter from E. Short.

A connection between the Zodiac killer and the BD killer are also something that Hodel didn't discover on his own. It's sickening that the Hodel message seems to dominate the Google and Yahoo search engines regarding the BD case.

The body of E.Short was 'staged' and the crime should be view with that fact being foremost in one's mind. It's another example of the:'Things aren't what they seem', theme.

http://blackdahliasolution.org/fate.htm
 
I have several more interesting articles that I've  saved.

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One of the newspaper articles reported that the police found E.Shorts nylons on 12th and Hoover St. It has been reported that syndicate boss Meyer Lanski had an incriminating photo of J. Edgar Hoover involved in a homosexual act. Hoover never married and had a close lifelong friend named Clyde that he vacationed with. A previous murder of a woman in the LA area also contained a reference to Hoover St. I think that these facts support the notion that the BD murder and other similar murders had mob involvement. Bugsy Siegel and Meyer Lanski were direct associates. These things about Hoover weren't widely known at the time and certainly not widely publicized. Hoover's casual clothing habits also tend to indicate that he was a homosexual. Hoover was known to state that there was no mafia, especially during the Kennedy era, this was, of course; a direct lie on Mr. Hoovers part. Files released after Hoover's death reveal that he had little regard for the rights of privacy. His behavior concerning and regarding the JFK assassination are appalling. Hoover had too much power without proper over-site or accountability for far too many years. This Hoover reference in these murders is also Zodiac Jack 101. The BD documents have several JT clues laced throughout. The 'Jack' references were most definitely suppressed by the LAPD, despite the fact that the early reports stated the involvement of someone named Jack and came from more than one source.
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