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You bet! I think that the name Jack was being suppressed even way back then, because you have to really dig through things in the BD case to get that info.
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There is the missing finger aspect to cover.

First though, let's ponder why Jack (from the tavern) knew what hotel Woodley was at, or his room for that matter? I suspect that even if it came up in conversation, you would just say where and not what room??? Just my thought. This would mean that even if Jack had a name of a hotel, he would have to go to the front desk to find out which room... There would have been a manager on duty that could have verified Woodley's story.

Woodley claimed that he and a woman met Elizabeth Short and her companion Jack in a Tavern. This would indicate that they didn't know each other, at least Jack did not know Woodley. How many killers do you know that runs to a stranger for assistance in getting rid of bloody evidence???

Why the suicide attempt..... Hours of interrogation too much??? Woodley indicated that he was fed up with this... Doesn't make sense to commit suicide over someone else killing someone!!!

Now that we can see that the story we were given doesn't add up on face value, we should consider the missing finger aspect. Things like "Jack", "missing finger" and tattoo "JW" are pretty specific, but we can only take from this that Woodley's whole entire story is BS, or he gave some truth and some lies because his story does not make sense as to his relation to Jack or the assistance Jack returned to his hotel for. If Jack did return to Woodley's hotel in bloody clothes then that means they knew each other before the tavern meeting, and Woodley knows more than he is saying.

This also means that it was Jack's military uniform that ended up in the storm drain. Did police ever find these bloody clothes???

Note the storm drain as the evidence dump site. This is considerably consistent with many of the crimes I will suggest that JT is apart of starting with Lipstick - Susanne Degnan and on down the line. These are other cross connections that have been made.

Also, did the police check the hotel room that this man stayed in for any kind of evidence??? There is the holding of BD for what 6 days from last seen to dumpsite?

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I pondered all of those same points. As I recall, Woodley said that he had been drinking heavily too. Perhaps Jack was jiving Woodley about the missing finger? I was wondering if the Jack had a JW tattoo? I thought I read that he actually did?

If he was somehow an accomplice, maybe the missing finger was meant to give Jack a pass? Otherwise, everything else seems to fit.

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It certainly does, and if Woodley was involved, and I tend to think that he knew way more than he let on because Jack came to him to dump the bloody clothes, then they knew each other. If you were in an accident, why would you need to dump the clothes??? That's immediately what I thought about the missing finger. It was to deter the investigating officers. Wouldn't you need or have to have all your fingers if your were to be enlisted in the military??? I would think that all body parts would be required...
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It seems like Jack liked to skirt the edges of risk a little. I seem to recall someone, maybe Dennis; claiming that Jack had a JW tattoo on his arm?

That newspaper article is interesting and kinda weird too. Of course the Black Dahlia/E Short murder is very weird. Like all of these crimes; it's overdone, arguably the most overdone aside from all of the extensive, weird and planted evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey brutal Murder.

The fact that old man Hearst quelled the Black Dahlia case indicates power politics, like the rest of these murders seem to invoke.

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The Hearst aspect, with the newspapers and stifling of the BD reporter has always intrigued me. I have some idea's that I haven't released at this point that definitely includes the Hearst legacy.... This in combination with the desire to be printed on the front page at all times by Zodiac, and the threats that come when he is buried on the wrong page brings thoughts to the Liberty disaster and LBJ's response of being pissed that the disaster was not on the front page makes me cringe.
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Nanette, the famous first crossing of the Atlantic, flyer Charles Lindberg wouldn't play ball with Hearst because of Hearst's propensity for yellow journalism.  Normally Hearst's publications would thrive on such a story, the fact that he quelled it in spite of that means that he had some personal concerns. Perhaps he was already paying tribute to do so?

The third and obscure layer of clues and investigation tends to reveal what was really going on with the Black Dahlia murder case.

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It's been pointed out that victims E.Short, Paul Stine and Jonbenet Ramsey's remains were posed with their arms over there heads, bent at the elbows. I'm trying to recall if other victims were staged the same way?

I read the black tape over JonBenet's mouth as also being a mimic of the Black Dahlia murder scene, tape said to have been cut, not torn from the roll. The roll was never sourced and was said to be black gaffers tape.

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There is a lot of posing that is spoken about in many of the crimes I research. One of my todo's is the link-analysis on the each and every one, and this includes the posing of the body and clothing taken, left, or used in crime.

I have one murder where a blue coat from a victim in the East US was reported missing, and a victim in the West US who was covered in a blue coat that did not belong to her, and was not recognized by the family. These seem to be important cross connections that should be researched, and as of yet, I cannot exclude Jack Tarrance from the locations of the crimes. All seem to have a 17-38 mile radius in connection to known locations of JT. I cannot disregard family members within proximity either because Jack was an avid traveler his whole life. Bouncing from one location to the next. So, either Jack has very bad luck with being in the area of unsolved homicides on a constant basis, or just like Zodiac, he has been a terror throughout California and across this nation.

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Nanette, that whole business about the blue coats fits with what John Douglas refers to as "order out of chaos', in his book Mindhunter. BTW, I just found a new to me publication about the Ramsey case  of Douglas' that I need to review. I glossed over it, noted that he said he thought the perp was young, etc. I'll get back to this subject soon.

The broken watches left at the scene is something that needs organizing too. Black Dahlia and Cher Jo Bates are for certain on this. Time/date notations are on everything except the Anthrax case, as best as I can recall?

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Nanette, I tried to add a picture here and got a storage limit exceeded message. What does it take to fix that? It seems like nonsense to me.
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Yes, TerryB, I have some rearranging I guess to do. I tried to upload some information on the LK case, and found the same exact thing. My choices: start a whole new board with the information from beginning to end, begin a new internet site on the awesome timeline I have, or re-arrange this one... We can always upload to photobucket and use urls for now, or wait until I figure out what to do...
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I wasn't quite sure where to apply this information, but I think we will start here and see if a new topic is required. Today, 2 addresses were found for Jack and Letha in Riverside. So they married in the Bay Area in 1945, but by 1951 and 1952 they are recorded as living in the Riverside area. It does appear to me that Jack and Donald stayed within close proximity of each other for the most part, and this is a secondary source of relation with Jack to an area of heavy unsolved murders. Of course I do not think he was killing in this area at this time because he hasn't shown to kill in his own backyard if there is a Mrs. around. I also heard some interesting information that there is records of 2 divorces to one women and what would then appear to be a marriage to two women at one time. This is going to be researched, so I will have to get back to you on the information found and if it has any truth to it...

Let's hear it for new acquaintances and research partners.

In the last 2 weeks, we have seen two direct links to areas of interest with Peacock reunion and the new addresses in Riverside. I couple this with new letters that almost completely reads this killer's life like a book. There are many letters that are being withheld, and may never be uncovered, but I do not think that it deters the findings in cross connecting crimes with communications accepting responsibility for it. In the long run, some really good patterns are appearing in the information, and if anything, more info that includes Jack rather than excluding him.

Cha Ching, a direct connection to the Riverside area. This is not shocking by any means...

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In the move into the Riverside Phantom, Red Lipstick Killer, and Red Phantom we have this anniversary note:

Seems I have run out of storage room again. Probably going to need to get a different site for just this research, and posting pics, but for now here is the letter:

TO WHOM IT MAY
CONCERN: I
HAVE WAITE D FOR THE POLICE = WAITE D and connection to the spelling of "waite" in the Susanne Degnan ransom note
POLICE TO CAPTURE = Taunt
ME FOR THE BLACK DAHLIA KiIIiNG, BUT HAVE NOT = Confesses to Black Dahlia by name and :KiIIiNG author uses a double "ii" error that he used in a postcard Q20 Armand Robles photo on cutout postcard with misspelled "kiiler's" Jack would have loved to play on someone's incompetence. Almost suggest he himself wanted to do this --- Photo's - Journalistic type headlines - skipping around in different military - Make his own news story -
I AM TOO MUCH
OF A COWARD TO TURN
MYSELF IN, SO THIS = Turn himself in in Black Dahlia
IS THE BEST WAY OUT = Suicide because this note was left in a neatly folded and stacked set of clothes and shoes on the shore ---- Lipstick Killer, Zodiac
FOR ME. I COULDN'T
HELP MYSELF FOR
THAT, OR THIS = Ploy of the Lipstick Killer and Zodiac
SORRY, MARY = This letter comes after the death's of Mary Thames and (Need the other girls name) 3-15-1944, Mary Jane Larey and (males name) Texarkana 2-22-1946 which is 21 days after her death anniversary whereas Bauerdorf's was 20 days before her anniversary of death.
This is also the one year anniversary of Jack and his first wife Letha Marie Self = She may have preferred Mary or this could be a play on her name??? You never know with Jack.

So in all we have the acceptance in my mind for the girls previous to Lipstick, the Lipstick Killer, Black Dahlia, and the new Riverside murder of Jeanne French. I think that Jack left for a little bit, and probably back home to Mom or maybe to move her out to California because we know she is there by 1956 at least.

We also have the purported accomplice letter found on Bill Heirens in 5-1947. If this letter were real this would support Jack being back in Chicago. I wouldn't expect him to give actual names...

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The connections get even stronger between Black Dahlia – Elizabeth Short and Zodiac when you cross compare these two postcards:

1-28-1947 Postcard with cutouts and handwritten envelope in Black Dahlia Q14

Cutouts:

Tuesday, January 28, 1947 = from newspaper

‘Go Slow’

Man Killer Says

Black Dahlia Case

2-1-1947 Postcard with cutouts and photo of Arman Robles Q23 with “Next” handwritten over his head and an “arrow” pointing to him.

Cutouts:

“ that young! “I’ll do him like I did the

‘Black Dahlia’

“Black      Dahlia Avenger”

With these two cards:

10-5-70 Postcard known as 13th Victim postcard in cutouts by Zodiac Q116

Cutouts:

The pace isn’t any slower! = ‘Go Slow’ Black Dahlia Q14

Some of them fought is was horrible = “Did not put up a struggle” Cheri Jo Bates Confession Letter Q26

Keypunch holes link to keypunch operators and hospitals which equal nurses – Sacramento and Letterman General Hospital, S.F. are up soon.

10-12-70 Postcard with cutouts to Dr. Edw. C. Adams in Orinda, CA Q117

Cutouts:

Mon. Oct. 12, 1970 = from newspaper just like Black Dahlia postcard Q14

You are NEXT = Armand Robles Q23

Change the way of committing murders = Zodiac and Scorpion

I shall announce when I shall commit my murders, The Adamses are next. = Soon we see in the DC Freeway Phantom that the suspect is telling where he is going to strike, just like this card predicts.

2 postage stamps = Black Dahlia and Zodiac

Repeats of previous communications in order to tie them together…

Typed = 3 line addressing and Edward Adams = Zodiac, Cheri Jo Bates, Dear Draftboard, Patricia Hautz, Mr. Hoover,  


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