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OK, came across this report by the FBI dated June 7, 1978, addressed to Mr. Charles R. Gain, Chief of Police, which includes an examination of Zodiac known exemplars and the Riverside murder of Cheri Jo Bates handwritten letters.


Quote, "The hand printing on the Q85 through Qc100 letters show wide range of variation and various writing speeds. Additionally, portions of the material, particularily the three Riverside letters, may have been disguised or deliberately distorted." DUH!

"For the above reasons, the hand printing examination of these letters was inconclusive. However, consistent hand printing characteristics were noted in the Q85 through Qc100 letters which indicate that one person may have prepared all of the letters including the Riverside letters and the message found on the desk top in the Riverside case."

I have not seen such a wishy washy opinion before. First paragraph indicates inconclusive and second paragraph indicates one person may have prepared all of the letters. I am so confused, which is it?

The report shown to Dennis Kaufman and myself at a February meeting with Chris Hopkins did not look anything like any of these reports, and now stands to reason as to why he would not give us a copy. I knew the report he showed me was bs, and that no document examiner would have prepared it. The truth comes out.....


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My interpretation of this report (found here: http://vault.fbi.gov/The%20Zodiac%20Killer/The%20Zodiac%20Killer%20Part%2005%20of%2006/view on pg 57 of 249)

is that the examiner was stating that BOTH the Riverside letters/ desktop and the known Zodiac communications "may have been disguised or deliberately distorted". And because of this attempt to disguise, it cannot be stated conclusively that the writings were done by the same person. That is, there is not enough "natural" writing in the communications to definitively link them to one another.

But, since both sets of communications carry the same "quirks" (totally my word, for lack of a better term) such as variation, changing writing speeds, and attempt to disguise, that it's possible they were, indeed, written by the same person.

It's wishy washy but I think it leans more TOWARDS the writings all being done by the same person, then away from it. I think the examiner just didn't feel it could be a black or white opinion (yes, same person or no, not the same) because of the attempts to disguise but felt it more likely than not that it was the same author for all communications. 

As far as what you and Dennis were shown, not sure. But, I know I've seen several reports prepared trying to determine if Z was involved in the CJB killing, dating from 1969 to, I believe, the mid-2000's. Perhaps what you were shown was one of these later ones? 
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Jupiter, I would like to first put out, we start with the copy print book for the time frame as learned in school. Any deviation from this learning is considered individualistic/habitual if found enough times in a body if writing. Otherwise; it would not seem to be habitual, or in the natural variation. We can see in a few instances where we are out of natural variation, but on a whole if you are  writing in a natural state minus any deception it is considerably easy to detect a single author. The farther an individual deviates from the learned lessons is the differentiation between one personality and the next, and the easiest to make an identification.

A teacher does not necessarily see the difference as anything other than sloppiness, and may attempt to correct this difference in their favor; however, most teachers never attempt to correct it thus creating a substantial unique differentiation in each writer. Where one teacher claims sloppiness, I claim individualism.

This is what I base my opinion on in this case. Regardless of what the suspect expects to portray, there will always be things or aspects of their writing that they do not know exists or are unaware of that gleans through to tell the truth. This will be apparent soon, and I hope the right mind skips onto it…


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OK, I have spent numerous hours organizing the documents and notes that I have collected in the last 4 years. It took an entire 4 drawer filing system to hold together. What I realized on this adventure was that there was many references to the subjects of handwriting exams where each and every result was exclusion. I will count the amount of times this occurs in the FOIA documents, but I can assure you the document examiners were very sure of their conclusions. I do not believe that I read one report that indicated the handwriting was inconclusive. You can deduct your own theories based on what I have been told from the FBI directly, "INCONCLUSIVE." Not in any other exam has this been the conclusion.
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Let me take my very last statement back: only when the FBI was comparing new questioned documents in certain cases did they make an opinion of "INCONCLUSIVE". With a statement that really qualifies as both should be considered within the same crime spree. This is another thing I will categorize. This is what happens when years later the evidence that is produced in hopes to subside the hunger of the public, is easily put together,but after a certain amount of time, a pattern appears that really suggests what is really going on.
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I did find many notes, and those that were not  mine. I found on the back of the presentation sheets provided at the GWH press release with Janice Hendrickson, from what I would usually consider to be an unknown individual, but I only recall one person taking notes, and I recall the only person who made remarks online in regards to this press release, so if I am correct, I have the personal notes of Eric Becker. I could be wrong, but the pics on LinkedIn are comparable to the person I recall. If I am wrong, please let me know with a handwriting sample, if I am not, the notes will be posted shortly....
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I've  just reviewed portions of this thread and noted that a lot of time has been spent discussing the Steve Hodel aspect of the LK/BD/Zodiac killer cases. Just to recap my current attitude towards Hodel; I currently have more favorable feelings about him because I've reviewed his workmanship and I think he has  acted in good faith, even though he made two prime mistakes.

While the person that murdered Paul Stine did not have a mustache, Hodels' dad did. Additionally, the photo that Steve thinks is Elizabeth Short, is certainly not one of her, it's a different woman. E. Short's family said the same thing.

On the other hand, there are many things with which I agree on with Steve Hodel. These days my view of Steve Hodel is mostly favorable because I think that he has worked in earnest, or so it now seems.

I don't speak for Nanette on this subject and I may be a little too forgiving with regard to Steve Hodel. It's the fact that there are many things in those cases that I (and we) agree with Hodel on, key things.

Nanette has excellent powers of recall, much better than my own. I'm a more slow and deliberate student. So, there may be things about Steve Hodel that really irk her? I do fully appreciate this aspect. He did blow it with regards to the mustache and that photo, that's for certain.

i think that Nanette's workmanship is  excellent  and especially so on the handwriting evidence.


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FBI FOIA Airtel 2-6-1974 shows that Sacramento, Vallejo, Riverside, San Francisco, and Los Angeles agreed that the related crimes that I have connected were in fact related, and this was a general consensus of all in 1974.

TO: Director, FBI (9-49911)

FROM: Sacramento (9-68) (P)

Subject: Zodiac
             Extortion
             00:  Sacramento

           For information of the Los Angeles Office, commencing in August, 1969, an individual who has written several letters to newspapers in Northern, California, some of which contain cryptographic messages, and who signs himself "Zodiac", has been suspect in at least six unsolved murders in California. Because of some of the details contained in his letters, pertaining to the murders, details not known to the public, the police agencies which investigated the cases have come to the confirm conclusion that the "Zodiac" is responsible. The murders for which the "Zodiac" has taken credit are as follows:
Date                                              Place                Number of Victims
10/30/66               Riverside, California                                1
12/20/68               Vallejo, CA                                             2
7/4/69                   Vallejo, CA                                            1

2-Bureau
2-Los Angeles
1-San Francisco
2-Sacramento
GJM:alt
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So why have people been calling me crazy again. These are just the ones he took credit for just like he told Tim Miller in the 2005 letter. There were many more, and those never found.

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Completing the linguistics and similarities in structure between all the communications before entering into the handwriting examination because sometimes the very words contained in it can exclude it as a possibly authored document by the Zodiac, but tonight, I find that these actually solidify the connection between Elizabeth Short aka Black Dahlia and the Zodiac Killer more than ever:

The connections get even stronger between Black Dahlia – Elizabeth Short and Zodiac when you cross compare these two postcards:

1-28-1947 Postcard with cutouts and handwritten envelope in Black Dahlia Q14

Cutouts:

Tuesday, January 28, 1947 = from newspaper

‘Go Slow’

Man Killer Says

Black Dahlia Case

2-1-1947 Postcard with cutouts and photo of Arman Robles Q23 with “Next” handwritten over his head and an “arrow” pointing to him.

Cutouts:

“ that young! “I’ll do him like I did the

‘Black Dahlia’

“Black      Dahlia Avenger”

With these two cards:

10-5-70 Postcard known as 13th Victim postcard in cutouts by Zodiac Q116

Cutouts:

The pace isn’t any slower! = ‘Go Slow’ Black Dahlia Q14

Some of them fought is was horrible = “Did not put up a struggle” Cheri Jo Bates Confession Letter Q26

Keypunch holes link to keypunch operators and hospitals which equal nurses – Sacramento and Letterman General Hospital, S.F. are up soon.

10-12-70 Postcard with cutouts to Dr. Edw. C. Adams in Orinda, CA Q117

Cutouts:

Mon. Oct. 12, 1970 = from newspaper just like Black Dahlia postcard Q14

You are NEXT = Armand Robles Q23

Change the way of committing murders = Zodiac and Scorpion

I shall announce when I shall commit my murders, The Adamses are next. = Soon we see in the DC Freeway Phantom that the suspect is telling where he is going to strike, just like this card predicts.

2 postage stamps = Black Dahlia and Zodiac

Repeats of previous communications in order to tie them together…

Typed = 3 line addressing and Edward Adams = Zodiac, Cheri Jo Bates, Dear Draftboard, Patricia Hautz, Mr. Hoover,  


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Reorganizing and removing clutter from the 2011 Zodiac - Jack handwriting examination prepared for the Napa Sheriff Department and Napa PD task force. They never responded or contacted me, but I am sure these new slides will have a better impact. I have just finished the "A's" and "a's". This will be a slow process, but I think it is necessary to bring these together a little at a time along with the other communications.
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I am pondering entering these communications into the mix due to some serious cross connections:
1. Cut and Paste = Black Dahlia, Zodiac, and I-45 Tim Miller letter
2. 2 line address construction = Black Dahlia, Riverside, Zodiac, and several others.
3. The address construction of no comma and first few letters of state as Zodiac and Jack both use.
4. The "NE" in Nevada almost resembles the symbol from the Halloween Card. Not exactly, but close.
5. The final letter in this set of communications was mailed right here out of Sacramento which is the area that Jack was frequenting during this time frame. Between his home in San Jose and business with the Boiler Maker's Union in the bay area through to 1972, Jack would have been traveling from South Lake Tahoe where he is living at this point to the Bay Area and crossing Sacramento as he did.
6. Oakdale is a stones through from Modesto where Kathleen Johns was abducted in 1970??? by the Zodiac.
7. The handwriting is reminiscent of the Red Phantom, Count Marco letter, Jack, and I am sure, more to come.

Either way, I will check it out as I go.


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Wow Nanette, you rock!
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That's a pretty cool find Nanette. That capital R is a straight up JT clue, it's exactly what I'd expect to see from Zodiac Jack. He's got the J on the top and the T is made from the stem and the foot, the same way he structured R in Ramsey and the R's on 'children make nice targets' Zodiac killer  letter as pointed out by then US postal inspector Shimoda. It's very artistic and I think you are absolutely right, that is most definitely a mimic of the Halloween symbol.

Now it might be that Zodiac Jack was trying to 'horn in' on the DB Cooper caper. I've always wondered if DB Cooper had an accomplice? Someone on the ground that could signal Cooper with a light to tell him when to bale out of the plane. Otherwise, Cooper would have a had a long hike out of that area he landed in. Also, he ran the risk of getting caught in a tree and/or breaking a leg and/or hitting his head etc. They have found $5800 in $20 bills from the Cooper caper but nothing else, as I recall. So far, none of the other ransom money has turned up. The FBI thought Cooper wouldn't have survived the jump, I don't know how they came up with that. Otherwise, Cooper seemed to know what he was doing. You'd think that by now they would have found something if he died in the jump?

Edited: I meant to say the R was constructed in a 'similar' way. Actually, the Cooper R is very similar to the Degnan note JT clue, in the way it was made.

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The money was not damage as it should have been if it had lingered in the water for the number of years it was missing, and they had in the recent 2 years before the money was found dredged the river which would have turned it up if it were there. The inclination hear is that the money was returned to this spot sometime after the dredging. This is one of the factors in the MO of these cases whereby the suspect returned to specific locations to plant more things from other crimes such as body parts of one victim being found in the ground with another one. My point is that returning to the dump site is par for the course with this killer.

The composite is not far off from Zodiac's, but where this ties in is with the letter that the FBI got the composite wrong, and this was just recently captioned in the Zodiac's work with how he only looks like the composite when he does his thing. So with the Narcissist in the Zodiac, he couldn't have it be wrong. This also gives me a Canadian reference that I was desperately trying to figure out in the Tim Miller letter because he watched the Grey Cup in Canada per his letters. This also crosses over to the Bauerdorf letter whereby the suspect told you he was in Okinawa previous to the letter being written. Hell ya I would get out of the country after committing one of the largest hijackings in history. Either way, I cannot negate the final letter of the four being mailed out of Sacramento as if to say he was home.

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Yeah, the money is a weird thing all the way around. I've read that some $20 bills were thought to have been manually removed from the packet of $5800 found. Also, the rubber binders holding the packets together were still good, which was inexplicable. None of the rest of the ransom has ever turned up.  So, did Cooper or an accomplice remove the missing bills?  Even so, the government claims that none of the money every turned up anywhere else. With all of the people that gleaned the area in question, something more should have turned up. Unless the actual escape of Cooper was  far different from the reports given by the pilots; that they sensed the tail trim changed at 8:13PM? If none of the rest of the money never truly turned up, then what other possible explanations could fit the rest of the story? There are a lot of debates about Cooper and a lot of it conflicts. I tend to think that Cooper survived the jump but realized he didn't dare spend any of the money. Or, the cash was fenced and the person that bought it never tried to pass the bills? So, I'd guess that Cooper buried the cash and maybe an animal dug some of it up and carried it to the area it was found? One woman named Cooper said she thought it was her uncles and that the one that resembled DB Cooper came home all bloody and beaten up and that the two were bragging about the crime. That might be BS but it does fit in, since the parachutes were never found, meaning they were manually hidden or disposed of. A lot of guardsmen combed all of the areas in question too.

But this letter and cutout evidence you posted Nanette, it's very interesting indeed. Wow!

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