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Yeah, it's the total sum of the evidence that adds up against him. And yeah...who the hell keeps selective documents and receipts, as you have said; most people pitch stuff like that out every 5 years or so especially if it's tax related, it sounds like none of that was tax related but kept as a memento. It's like he was saying "catch me if you can."

I think it's been good to address the concern about his Naval service record as exculpatory but again I think that the  other evidence greatly out-weights the service record, a record he could have been used as an alibi at that time unless other naval officials had records that contradict that, then his goose might have been cooked...as they say.

As you know; LE had service men high on there list for both all three murders, that being; Jeanne French, Georgette Bauerdorf and E. Short.  And it does say BD on French's body not PD so there is the tie in to those two murders. Bauerdorf in the bathtub cross connects to the Chicago Lipstick murders as you know.

I'm still building up my cross connected files, I have to earn a living by day so my time to spend on these cases is limited, otherwise; if I was paid to do it; I'd have connected all of the dots I can....like for example: the fact that OCCK victim Jill Robinson's body was put on display on Big Beaver road, 20 years later and on the same exact day JBR's body is found with mysteriously unsourced beaver hairs on it.

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Yes, phone bills from 1996 would not be necessary to anyone some 20 years later when he died.

On another note: I have been contacted twice in the last week by people who believe their suspects were former homicide detectives. While they have different people in mind, they have some interesting theories. I just spent all day reading up on Bohemian Grove, Bilderberg Group, Pythian's, and the elitist behind it all. What a history lesson to say the least. It solidified even more that there are people at the top of the food chain who sit around deciding the future of the mainstream public without any concern for their welfare. I knew that the rich were greedy, but come on. This is not the land of the free, or the land of opportunity.... I did not see any mention of LE involvement in the Bohemian Grove activities except Sonoma Co. Sheriffs Dept. who helped to keep the elitists from being infiltrated along with secret service. It appears that it was founded news journalists, and built with finances from SF based business men. Some of the members were William Randolph Hearst, Edgar Kaiser of the Kaiser Foundation (Special Assistant to President Lyndon B. Johnson), and David Rockefeller (JP Morgan - Chase Bank that is across from the Federal Reserve). These people claim that it is just good fun and no work, but we see that things like the Manhattan Project have been decided in these events. Now I do not want to speculate on the rumored events that really take place at these gatherings, but I do believe the sit and plan things like war games, and they are not necessarily friends of the US.

Either way, I find some aspects of these groups very intriguing. Especially, when you consider that if people get in their way, I am sure they have no problem taking care of them. I have felt that there was some twist to JT's victim's being of influential status, and I am checking these avenues out. Does anyone have any info on these societies?

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Nanette, there's a lot of things about those people posted and written, whether it's true or embellished is pretty hard to tell.

Some people have obscene amounts of money and power. When you go back and look at how the prohibition days made the underworld wealthy and powerful and hidden... it isn't hard to imagine that in the "war on drugs" era we're in; that it has to be fueling a lot of power and corruption. For me the difficulty is to have to listen to the lousy way mud slinging politics play out these days, they play the public like were all spectators on the Jerry Springer show or so-called professional wrestling, like we all knee jerk react to everything, the sad thing is is that there are plenty of human dummies around that buy in to that mentality and tend to cancel out the efforts of those that wanna cast a reasonable vote for our so-called elected officials.

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Hi Nanette, I was reviewing this thread because I was looking for the JT timeline. The current reason for this is because I just re-discovered the story of the 1956/57 Grimes sisters murders, which happened near Chicago. I've read that the mother of these two girls received taunting calls from the killer, calls that indicated he knew things only the killer would know. It seems to me that you once mentioned or wrote about the Grimes murders too? Note that they were abducted right near Christmas time, Dec 28th 1956, their bodies were discovered about a month later. There were previous murders near that area that LE thought were done by the same person. BTW, the examiners said the one girl had had sexual intercourse sometime before she died. The coroners reports were fuzzy about the cause of death and listed "exposure" as the cause, even though one girl's corpse had three puncture wounds in her chest. A very nervy killer, he was able to abduct both girls undetected. It seems to me that I've also read that the killer sent in some taunting letters too but I have yet to find them on the net?
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Jack's Military Record FOIA0005.jpg 
Jack's Military Record FOIA0001.jpg  Jack's Military Record FOIA0002.jpg  Jack's Military Record FOIA0003.jpg  Jack's Military Record FOIA0004.jpg  Jack's Military Record FOIA0007.jpg  Jack's Military Record FOIA0008.jpg  Jack's Military Record FOIA0009.jpg
Here are Jack's military records from my FOIA request, and why Jupiter only posted 2 of what was obviously sent, I don't know. Again, the enlistment into the Naval Receiving Station on 6-2-1945 did not mean that Jack hung out there. He was not required to be anywhere doing anything until 6-27-1945 when he was shipped to San Diego for training.


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I would like to clarify the information on these files. Jack entered into the Navy on 6-2-1945 in Lubbock, Texas.

From 6-2-1945 Jack was stationed at the reserves station in Dallas, TX. This is a mere 13 hours from his mother in Chicago, Ill., and in the holding pattern, he had no duties or requirements. He is probably given a few weeks to sum up his personal stuff. Either way, his entry into the service on 6-2-45 does not deter him from being back in Chicago by 6-5-45 for the Josephine Ross murder.

Navy shows Jack is in the Reserves from 6-2-1945 to 12-11-45 even though he was purportedly active from 6-27-45 to after the end of WWII in August 1945, which brings us back to the next death on Dec. 10, 1945 Frances Brown, then we see Jack entering active duty once again on 12-12-1945 in San Francisco. What I see, is an alibi set up with the entry into the service, go home, commit a murder, and get the heck out of dodge. After the war ends, come home to Mom, commit another murder, then enter active duty again, but I would guess that they would give him yet another leave or time frame in which to get his affairs in order, and this is when I would theorize he was back home in Chicago, and committed the final crime before leaving this state altogether.


Certain MO you can count on with the Zodiac cases is that he commits a kill and leaves, then returns to live, commits another and then some, then leaves to live somewhere else, and comes back to commit one last one to make it look like he is still in the area.

We are going to start visiting this theory within every serial killing we talk about.  This is due to the family recollections of Jack looking for a home in another state without them. Where he would go ahead of everyone else to scout out the new place to live, and the fact that family members recollect Jack showing up and running of with their husbands for weeks and months at a time.

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