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PS, I never received anything for my work, but took the chance of being kicked out of my school and still having to pay for my obligated tuition due to my results and rendered opinion in this case. I took the biggest chance, and stood more to lose than any other document examiner in this case.

Jupiter, who does that unless they truly believe the evidence?

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Nanette- I don't doubt for a second that you truly believe Jack Tarrance was a killer. And, especially after this latest falling out with Dennis, I realize the sacrifices you've made and the things you've put up with to try to prove that. It's clear that these cases have been a huge part of your life for the last few years.

However, I am reluctant to believe that all of the aforementioned document examiners have somehow compromised their integrity, skewed their findings, or allowed their opinions to be influenced by their clients because they were being paid. That kind of corruption surely does happen in the world; too much, in fact. But, most people are decent and hard- working and would not be willing to risk their ethics, principles, and reputations for some cash and/ or publicity.
I think the simpler explanation is that sometimes people just make mistakes in their work; sometimes they are just wrong. Regardless of the profession, from doctors, to lawyers, to mechanics, store clerks, etc. That's just part of the human experience. My only real point in bringing up the differing opinions between examiners is just to relay why so much more would be needed in a case to be able to definitively say, "Hey, this is the guy."

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Jupiter, your blanket statement regarding all these "aforementioned document examiners" is something I take issue with. All of the ones we've discussed are people that I've studied their statements and their so-called work when available. In the JonBenet Ramsey case, there are clearly credible ones and clearly incredible so-called document examiners.

I'm also convinced that all of these cases share  common threads and one of those threads is in the form of an official coverup, much the same way the 911 false flag event was. Racketeering is at an all time high and fueled via the war on drugs much the same way the 20's-30's prohibition on alcohol fueled the Chicago mob and their syndicate associates, those same gangsters moved into heroin, white slavery etc. Then look at the big business of the military and all of the wars, wars that the mega wealthy rich kids never really fight, the fighting is left to the poor.

I don't just "believe" that Jack Tarrance was a key player in these crimes, I'm convinced of it, it's not faith based, it's fact based. I admit that when I first encountered Nanette's report; that for example: she had matched Tarrance's handwriting to the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note, I was highly skeptical, however; upon reviewing her work and methodology; I was convinced, furthermore: I was then able to see each and every detail of the match therein.  At about that point in time catseye had made the comment that JT's initials were "all over" the thing, I thought...well catseye is crazy, so I reviewed the document from that angle and I was floored, truly floored. Then I reviewed the other crime documents on the list and discovered that JT had integrated his initials in all of the crimes on the list. A further and deeper study revealed far too many cross-connected subtle clues to be a simple coincidence. All of these crimes share many characteristics as well. The OCCK case shares the same characteristics and the "Allen letter to Dr Danto" is absolutely Zodiac Jack 101, as is the JonBenet Ramsey ransom note.

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Jupiter, I certainly do feel that there are more good people than bad in this world. I have first hand knowledge however in at least one case where my thoughts are correct. As to McFarland, all I can tell you is the facts that can be researched. I took note to one of her first testimonials on her own website where the LA DA endorses her work. This clearly shows a connection to the LA area, and I am sure if we were to continue that research, we might find that she actually worked for LAPD or DOJ. There certainly are plenty of handwriting specialists in the LA area, and to go as far as Washington to obtain one is also logical due to a connection.

Next, I have typed this paragraph below, here is an excerpt from Hodel's Dahlia Avenger book.


"Above hand printing analyzed by a court certified handwriting expert (Ms. Hannah McFarland) and her opinion was that it is “highly probable
that the handwriting on the purse was written by, Dr. George Hill Hodel. (NB: It has been 3+ years since Seattle handwriting expert, Hannah McFarland’s findings were published. To date, NOT ONE handwriting expert has come forward to offer an opposing or alternate position-excluding George Hodel as the author of the Dahlia, Kern, Boomhower, and French handwritings, Ms. McFarland was provided twenty-six separate known samples of Dr. Hodel’s handwriting for comparison, and studied them over a six-month period before rendering her opinion. A CBS handwriting expert, asked to make a comparison by that network for a 48 HOURS special on the investigation, was provided only four (4) known samples and given a week to analyze them. His opinion was “inconclusive.” Based on the limited samples he was provided by the network, he stated in a on-camera interview that he was not able to either verify or eliminate George Hodel as the author. This amount to NO OPINION."
by Steve Hodel

Jupiter, I know that you addressed the issue of "highly probable" at one point in time, and I failed to address it. So, here it goes...

ASTM guidelines state, "Strong Probability (highly probable, very probable)--the evidence is very persuasive, yet some critical feature or quality is missing so that an identification is not in order; however, the examiner is virtually certain that the questioned and known writings were written by the same individual."

Now that we understand that a particular element or characteristic was missing from Hodel's writing we can conclude that based on the information McFarland was in possession of, she was still missing elements that prevented her from making an identification. I am not missing any elements...

JT is a match to the handwriting based on:
1. All letters of the alphabet, upper and lower case.
2. Spacing and Slant
3. Construction and Form
4. Numerals
5. Punctuation
6. Linguistics
7. Spelling Errors
8. Unique Habituation or Fine and Subtle Traits
9. Diagram Drawings
I could go on forever because it all matched, and these are shown and easy to decipher in my displays.

Now let’s discuss the above paragraph:

 

First, McFarland’s own website portrays an endorsement from the LA DA which supports a connection between LAPD and McFarland. There are plenty of doc examiners in the LA area, so why go all the way to Washington to get one? IMHO, This also screams of a bias to some degree. It was as if Steve Hodel and Debra Perez were purposely posed to muck up the water because Dennis had a real case that would potentially put a stop to all the money that is being made on these cases.

 

Second, it does not take 6 months to make identification on handwriting. I do not see that as a plus for McFarland. It’s like David Moore here locally who spent 8 hours getting a handwriting sample from a client he was defending. The DA in this particular case even questioned this tactic, and I informed him that getting a handwriting sample from someone takes minutes, not hours unless you are not playing above the table. The reason the CBS expert could not make identification is because there wasn’t one to be had. A week is ample time for a case this large. I had one handwriting sample from JT, and in 8 hours I was convinced we were looking at the correct suspect for the Z crimes, and this is the only reason I stuck with Dennis for as long as I did. I had over 20 matching characteristics with more to come once I examined all of JT’s writing.

 

Third, McFarland had access to 25 samples of Hodel’s writing, and could not make identification. CBS had four, and I had one. When you have the right person it is clearly evident. By the time I was done, I had more than 100 samples of JT’s handwriting.

Fourth, McFarland identified Boomhower, French and Kern to be related cases, and this is about the only thing we completely agree on. Do you hear people saying she is crazy like they do to me because I linked these cases? I think not… I will take that to mean that I am not as lost as some would like to think. Who knows, I may have had the same exact opinion in regards to Hodel’s writing. What I mean is that there are aspects of Hodel’s writing that is similar, but it is lacking in many aspects, so I would have had to make that statement clear in my opinion rather than qualifying it with a blanket ASTM guideline so as not to persuade the public otherwise. “Highly Probable” sounds good, but is not an identification.

 

I know that generally background is of no consequence when it comes to handwriting, but “age” is one thing that I almost always ask for due to how it can play into a case. I would have suspected that McFarland would have at least known Hodel’s age to ensure that he could have even been alive during these crimes to make this identification. Z crimes would have made him a 70 something year old murderer who was hopping walls and evading police. Again, I think not!

 

Also, Hodel took an oath to save lives not take them. Does it seem logical that anyone would work as hard as Hodel to get to the level of renowned surgeon as he did only to take a chance at losing it all by committing murder? He had a life, social engagements, family, friends, work, and who knows what else that would pretty much prevent him from running all over the US committing murders. JT however, failed at nearly all these elements making him a perfect candidate.


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Jupiter, thank you for the engaging conversations and topics you bring up. It forces me to back my ideology with grounded research and prove up what I am saying. I learn a little something new every day!
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Steve Hodel has offered nothing that even remotely resembles evidence to show that his father killed anyone. The artwork made by a German artist friend of his father's proves nothing, furthermore; the artwork doesn't resemble or remind anyone of the corpse of Elizabeth Short. Apparently his father liked women and especially the female form.....big deal, I say; "Get over it junior". Maybe Steve's mother wasn't very stimulating, who knows? I can't watch any presentation by Steve Hodel without feeling the overwhelming urge to slap his stupid face! He's totally full of crap.

Perhaps there is a little bit of information via Stevie Hodel  that is useful, it seems to me that he did point out the cross-connection to Chicago lipstick victim Suzanne Degnan and the likelihood that the killer carefully deposited E. Short's body sections on display on Norton, Degnan Blvd becomes Norton St (Ave?) It was known that E.Short was obsessed with the Degnan case. Her last letter to Fickling has her going to Chicago with "Jack" to do some modeling. However; this info is and was in the public domain.

Sorry Stevie but I get fed up with all of the misinformation that is being fed to the public in these high profile cases. Your daddy liked women, he didn't murder them! Geez!

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BTW, E.Shorts body sections formed a JT, left to right, go look! J tee, get it?
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I remember that she was positioned, but not the actual position she was in. I will look at it once we are there.

I agree with your take on SH TerryB, completely...

Where did you find the information that BD was going to Chicago with "Jack"? This is definitely interesting because it appears that BD went to the trials for Heirens due to her facination with them, then she went to Florida, and then back to LA in her last trips. I have followed JT to Chicago, then to Texarcana, and then to Florida, and back to San Diego. Seems he was making the same exact route she was. Maybe to keep an eye on her???

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Nanette, the site that has the excerpt from the letter was one of the BD info sites, it's address is on my other computer, if you can't find it; let me know. I'd love to read that letter in it's entirety but I haven't found it on the net, it might be in one of the early books about the crime.

It was one of the things that led to Jack Anderson Wilson as a suspect, he was way too tall to match the description, he was mainly a drunk and probably a BS'er. He died in a mysterious fire in his hotel room, he might have done it to himself by accident too.

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If you find it, I think that it would be great to add to the evidence page if you want. If you are not able to upload it, send it to me and I can do it. Thanks TerryB
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Nanette, the picture of the Public Service building is no older that 1950 because one of the cars is a 1950 Plymouth, I used to own one, it was a very comfortable car but very underpowered....but real good on gas.

The photo of JT; I can't readily ID the date, the one car is a 1938-1946 or so model, I think ?

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I'll get back to you with the address of the site, it may take till tomorrow to do so.
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TerryB- could you clarify what you mean about you taking issue with my statement about the aforementioned document examiners? Do you have evidence of wrongdoing by McFarland, Grimes, and Baggett?

Nanette-
Steve Hodel lived in Bellingham, WA when his dad died in 1999 and he began suspecting him of these crimes; so that may be why he chose McFarland instead of a document examiner from LA.

As for why McFarland chose the language, "highly probable", according to LA County prosecutor Steven Kay, she stated it this way because that was the highest she could go because she did not have the original writings from the Black Dahlia, Lipstick Killer, and Zodiac cases. Since she was working off of copies of those writings and not the actual letters from the killer(s), she can't say 100% that there is a match. So, that "critical feature" that was missing was not something in Hodel's writing, but was the original documents associated with the crimes themselves.

I have no idea what Deb Perez's agenda was with her ridiculous claims, but, in fairness, Hodel came to suspect his Dad of the Black Dahlia and Lipstick Murders in 1999, and published Black Dahlia Avenger in 2003. So he was already very far into looking into those cases at a time when Dennis was just starting to put his case against Jack together. He was not likely to be trying to distract from Kaufman's claims because he actually started making his claims about George Hodel first. I think that Hodel's case is exceedingly weak, and I don't believe that his father killed Elizabeth Short or anyone else he claims. However, George Hodel apparently was a sexual sadist and did sexually abuse his own daughter, as well as pimp her out to his friends. He was acquitted of those charges at trial- I'm not sure how because the evidence was damning, including several eyewitnesses and testimony from the daughter herself.
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TerryB, thanks for the heads up on the Public Service Co. I just printed the pic when I posted it to take to someone that could help ID the models and years, so I will see what he says. Which car are you speaking of?  I know JT was in Chicago again in at least 1952 via his brother's wife because that is where she indicated she met them before marrying, and I believe that she married him, had a baby, and then JT and his brother packed everyone up and dropped her and the kid in Arkansas in 1954, and she didn't see them for six months. She claimed that JT would show up to their home, grab his brother saying they were going for a pack of smokes, and not return for days or weeks.

This pic of JT appears very young. It must be his first military entrance into the Navy due to the uniform which would be 45-48 which is well before the model car you said was in the NPC of Ill. pic, and this photo is on the same paper with similar stains to each other.  

Jupiter, that makes more sense as to why a WA examiner, but I still question his reasoning behind his allegations seeings how he can't even get anyone from LAPD to back or investigate his claims. His evidence is very weak as we know, and to make any claims that his father had anything to do with Z murders is ludicrous.

LAPD can sugar coat it any way they want. They did not take his case serious, so why make any claims in regards to what a doc examiner may have thought about the handwriting?

The only purpose for the originals is for pen pressure (there is none with the type of pen used by the murderer, this I suspect he knew), pen speed (there is none due to the letters being printed/disguised which is not a fair variation for speed comparison of natural handwriting, and again the type of pen used does not feather the same as a ball point pen which could elude to the speed or lighter strokes), or to see direction of strokes (which is far more necessary when dealing with cursive writing because copies can hide overlapping stroke marks making it impossible to detect which mark came first to determine the direction in which the author writes, and we have none of this to be concerned about due to printing once again) I cannot really detect any other reason why the originals would be necessary when a scan of them is sufficient. The only other reasoning behind the opinion is due to missing a critical feature. This is coming from a document examiner's point of view.

It would not surprise me if it was just away to distract from the truth of the case altogether. It seems as though they have been mucking it up for years, and it reminds me of the former SFPD investigator who claimed to have found Bigfoot. Those claims were just as ridiculous as SH's, and coming from LE sources such as they are, it is even more ridiculous. I am sure SH has made his fair share of money off his charades.

Your last paragraph makes me sick to my stomach. I am sure that he got off due to who he was and money. Poor girl

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Jupiter, here is some food for thought:

I found that McFarland has a "Guideline for What is Needed to Conduct a Handwriting Comparison;

1. I prefer to examine original documents. Photocopies and faxes do not reproduce the finer features of handwriting such as pressure, ductus and line crossing." by Hannah McFarland

This is exactly what I explained earlier about the need for originals. Ductus = flow of handwriting the text. Printing especially disguised handwriting does not flow due to the slowness that is required to execute letters that your brain is not used to executing. This is why I believe we see some of the spacing in the letters especially when it comes to the fraudulent spelling attempts with the letter "e". The simple fact that there is the need to remember to put it in causes a hesitation in writing because the suspect does not really have this habit, and so we see large gaps before and after.

This is what the ASTM guidelines consider to be examinable characteristics:

"Note 6 - Among the features to be considered are elements of the writing such as abbreviation (got that with JT (GOT)); alignment GOT, arrangement GOT, formatting GOT, positioning GOT; capitalization GOT; connectedness and disconnectedness (N/A in pure printing); cross strokes and dots GOT, diacritics and punctuation GOT; direction of strokes GOT; disguise GOT; embellishments GOT; formation GOT; freedom of execution GOT; handedness (I was taught that this was not something a document examiner should elude to because it really can't be told 100% of the time, so I am considering N/A); legibility GOT; line quality GOT; method of production GOT; pen hold and pen position (again something a that could not be precise to 100% certainty in some cases N/A); overall pressure and patterns of pressure emphasis (unable to detect this with a felt tip pen N/A); proportion GOT; simplification N/A; size GOT; skill GOT; slant or slope GOT; spacing GOT; speed (N/A with disguised printing); initial N/A, connecting N/A, and terminal strokes GOT; system GOT; tremor GOT; type of writing GOT; and range of variation GOT.

Other features such as age; illness or injury; medication, drugs or alcohol (intoxication or withdrawal); awkward writing position; sold or heat; fatigue; haste or carelessness; nervousness; nature of the document, use of the unaccustomed hand; deliberate attempt at disguise or auto-forgery should be considered.

I believe this about covers it, so let's tally the votes:

1. GOT's = 26
2. N/A = 7

I believe that I have demonstrated in the displays these 26 GOT's, so the only thing left to quibble about is the 7 elements that do not appear to have a bearing on this case.

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