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One thing I forgot to say about Graysmith was that several of the LE people he talks about in his book said they never gave Graysmith an interview, so they were implying that Graysmith didn't have all of his facts straight. This may all have been exaggerated in every direction too? I tend to think that guys like Toshi did say more than they'll admit to.

It's just that Arthur Leigh Allen was hounded on some very thin to none evidence, only suspicion. Now if he was being groomed as a patsy, well..... that might tend to explain more.

Of course; it really stands out that there was a "Allen letter to Dr Danto" in the OCCK case, doesn't it! Just like the damn Jackass and Jack rabbit clues etc.

I do think that the description and composite drawing of the Zodiac killer in the Stine case and the description Hartnell gave, fit Jack Tarrance very well and with no discrepancies.

Going back to the Black Dahlia case, I do strongly suspect that the report of the guy with the J.W. tattoo was intentionally rigged with the missing finger to give JT an out should he come up in a dragnet. Otherwise, that description was also very close to that of JT.

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Comparing the Georgette Bauerdorf anniversary letter from 9-21-1945 to the Lipstick Killer's (New Letters) still looking for these:

September 21, 1945 – Georgette Bauerdorf Anniversary Letter – Found on stone retaining wall by 11 year old near Fairfax High School .5 miles from West Hollywood - Typewritten

Georgette Bauerdorf “Killer’s Anniversary Note to Police” –

Anniversary Note is “TYPE WRITTEN” Found need to examine = Zodiac, Mary Thames, Cheri Jo Bates, Donna Lass, Gladys Kern and will look for more

Los Angeles Times and Hollywood Canteen where Bauerdorf worked. = Zodiac mailed LA Times as well…

To LA Police – Taunting police

Confesses to murder – Zodiac – Atlanta GA – DC Freeway Phantom – Riverside Phantom – DB Cooper – Donna Lass – OCCK Child Killer

Hollywood Canteen = Elizabeth Short – Zodiac bar Sacramento murders – Coronado Inn Bar Vallejo – OCCK turn himself in at a bar Pony Express (Check name for accuracy)

Identification = in uniform - letter to Hoover, Red Phantom accomplice letter, Zodiac, DB Cooper

In action Okinawa = giving whereabouts – Jack went to sea in July 1945, but war ended August, and he was sent back home. This gives ample opportunity for him to be back in San Diego area.

Hyphens used to split topics, as commas, and to break apart words there is plenty of room to finish = Zodiac – most every communication in these crimes and Jack does this as if to maintain journalistic script like a newspaper or poem.

Divine Retribution = payback like Black Dahlia, Justified –

Arrest if they can = Zodiac – Lipstick – Catch me or can’t catch me and crack proof

Records show a red iodine substance on the letter as if to mimic blood = Zodiac doodles and drawings of drips and drops of blood – Bleeding knife letter - Desktop poem reference to blood dripping – This was also a trait found in the Jack the Ripper crimes which may be an idol to Jack

Suspect claimed he would appear at the Hollywood Canteen on the anniversary of Bauerdorf’s murder on or about October 11, 1945. = OCCK meeting at a pub with Danto, and Lipstick Killer “If you don’t ketch me soon, I will cummit suicide….You may find me at the Club Tavern at….Please hurry now.”



These letters are from the Lipstick Murders. I knew there would be more, now to find them....

*** New – Haven’t Seen*** Mayor Edward Kelly received a note, “This is to tell you how sorry I am not to not get ole [sic] Degnan instead of his girl. Roosevelt and the OPA make their own laws. Why shouldn’t I and more?”

I and more = Zodiac, I and the police – Jack, I and the other Sgts.

More = connection to Writing on the Wall, 4x4 post writing, DC Freeway Phantom predicts more just like Zodiac in the letter from Fairfield, Atlanta, GA killer, and Tim Miller’s letter on I-45 murders.

Upset that OPA and Roosevelt make laws that benefit obviously the powerful and rich.

***New Haven’t Seen*** Lipstick Killer “If you don’t ketch me soon, I will cummit suicide….You may find me at the Club Tavern at….Please hurry now.”

 

January 7, 1946- Message left on Sign Post “Stop me before I kill more.” = All crimes, and lettering practiced by JT and Zodiac

There is no coincidence that both the letters from these times share the exact same taunts.... This definitely strengthens my feeling that Jack was responsible for Lipstick and Black Dahlia, but the overwhelming proximity and relation of Bauerdorf along with this letter screams one person. Cross connect the Oakland County Child Killer letter to Danto about turning himself in at the Pony Express (aka bar, canteen, tavern) isn't new, and hardly a copycat that one would remember from 1946 to 1976. It is even an anniversary taunt if you will, a 30 year anniversary taunt. Anniversary of murders, letters, and now taunts. The cross connections will be revealed shortly. I have completed the murder map received by Betts, and it for the most part matches up pretty damn good. Now I am cross connecting linguistics, handwriting, and a murder versus letter chart to easily reference same timeframe happenstances.

So far the biggest happenstance this early on is the letters listed above, and the murder of 2 little girls on March 15, 1944, Jack's marriage on March 15, 1946, and the Sorry Mary letter of March 15, 1947. Now we are still very early in the communications, but if this wraps up this neatly this early on, I can't wait to see what will come of the rest.


Let's not forget to add in that the Georgette Bauerdorf letter was typewritten just as Cheri Jo Bates confession letter in 11-1966, and a few others that I intend to examine...


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Nice work Nanette. Also Bauerdorf was left in the bathtub as were 2ea of the Chicago Lipstick victims, as best I can recall.

Any chance that I can get a look at copies of the original typewritten letters? There may be more cross-connected nuances on them as well?

Degnan girl was cut up in laundry tub too.

Yeah, the target was ole Degnan, not his daughter. As I recall; Degnan was wealthy and/or influential. Ramsey ransom note and whole crime clearly indicates that John Ramsey was the target too.

BTW, I've stated before that I suspect that the dyslexic NJ, with the backwards stemmed J from the Lindbergh kidnapping case, might have influenced our suspect to incorporate this same nuance? It sure jumped out at me when I reviewed the Lindbergh case.

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I thought I had read about the bathtub with Bauerdorf as well. I just didn't have it at the tip of my brain and didn't want to misquote it. It wraps up all too nicely.

Degnan worked for the Office of Price Administration in charge of setting prices and rationing meat. There was a huge meat strike going on at that time as well. A black market butcher was also decapitated during this time frame which was a suspect in the Cleveland Torso murders just by chance. Meat packers were on strike and a lot of people were pissed off including I'm sure the Indians who were rationed rotting meat.

I feel several people have influenced our suspect. I wish you could see how Jack's life wraps around all this chaos I am connecting because that's where it hits home. But that is being saved for the book... Connections to the crimes have always been around with enough information for the public to put this together, but it seems no one has, and I suspect that is because they didn't have the right suspect.

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Nanette, the business of price controls is still something that's practiced in the agricultural business and for very sound reasons. Certain economic conditions can cause actual prices and costs to drive some farmers and producers out of business. Milk pricing is a prime example. It has all been usually done with the best of intentions.

Degnan might have been targeted because the mob might have been working some kind of scam or wanted to work a scam and Degnan might have bucked that? The "ole Degnan" comment tends to strongly hint that JT was part of a conspiracy, which at this point in time.... comes as no surprise.

Of course Bauerdorf's father was very wealthy too. Laced into some of these crimes are the wealthy victim factors, as you know. The Zodiac killer crimes may have simply acted to terrorize yet unidentified wealthy targets?

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It's starting to look that way... I will try to get the letters up in one place for viewing as soon as possible. Right now I am tabbing them down in chronological order for easy reading and reference, but I thought I would share some of these thoughts along the way.
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Your post #77 is  excellent work, Nanette. I've observed many of those same things like the 'divine retribution' in the Bauerdorf murder as it directly relates to the killer saying BD's murder was 'justified'. He even integrated his initial nuance in the word justified. 
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Hi Nanette, I just read this:
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Two books have come out on Jack W. Tarrance, Jr. as the Zodiac Killer and the Lipstick Killer.

Stephen Dewhurst came out with "The Demon of the Southwest Wind: Tracking the Zodiac Killer". This is the book rights that Dewhurst purchased from Dennis Kaufman in 2009 whereby Dewhurst paid Dennis $50,000 per Dennis for them before their falling out.

Loren L. Swearingen came out with "Decryption of the Lipstick Killer Wall Message."

I know that Dewhurst recognizes the efforts with the handwriting, but I do not know how Swearingen is taking or giving credit for these areas of research, but I have to believe that based on his behavior with me and the information we worked on together, i.e., Lipstick Killer, that he wanted all the credit for something he would otherwise have no basis for including the systems that Jack Tarrance used. Loren Swearingen is the very type of person who monopolizes not only on the hard work of others, but is greedy enough to try to make money off their work and the tragedy of others instead of helping the cause which is to close these cases for the family members of the victims. 

Swearingen is asking $59.95 for his 200 page book whereby Dewhurst is only asking under $20.00; however, Dewhurst's is being sold internationally I am told. At least Dewhurst paid for this right....

I'll address this in the next thread.

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So,
Loren L. Swearingen came out with "Decryption of the Lipstick Killer Wall Message."
He wouldn't have known anything about that case had it not have been for you! Wow. We know about his work on the Zodiac Killer 340 cipher, yet that's the title he went with? Both you and I have written about the wall message, and, as you know, I've embellished that very subject too. Decryption of a hidden message? Hmmm, we'll see.

I don't think that it was wise for DK to sell Dewhurst those rights for so little. But, that's his thing. Wasn't it the possession of the certain negatives/pictures more than any book rights?

Well, I can tell you this: I've written and re-written an opening statement for a manuscript for the Ramsey case three times now because of new discoveries. So, I've postponed that business in order to study the ransom note as much as my nerves can handle. It's damn tedious work and it can't be forced. It requires me to examine my own weaknesses, then the note, then reflect etc etc. Apparently art work and encryption appealed to Zodiac Jack, it only impresses me with regard to sorting all this crap out...because that's what it is: crap, sick crap....interesting crap but sick crap, diabolical crap, insidious crap, and unfortunately very important crap.  
     I can also tell you this: Your name will be mentioned within the first or second paragraph and done so with high regard and probably several times. I'm confident that I've discovered some pivotal, key and astounding things about the ransom note but it did in fact hinge on your initial and insistent statement that the Ramsey ransom note handwriting matched up. From there the JT's led forward and backwards in time.
     I've also had three different titles in mind, but now I have one that's "killer", no pun intended. I've wanted the work to be confined to linkage between the Ramsey and Zodiac killer cases, however; and as you know, that's not practical. I've wanted to avoid setting out to prove that Tarrance was the main perp but there's just too many items that put him right in the mix, especially the January Turning post card, that is a key item, IMHO.
     And....lately I'm forcing myself to study the damn ransom note every day, so that I can get back to trying to draw it all together. I've spent a lot of time pondering things like: what to emphasize, what to say, in what order, keep it interesting, how long, how short. Just the annotated copies take up several pages. Now that my privacy cover is blown, I try to apprise other smart people of what we all know.
     One of my past fears is; that I've been afraid that LE might throw a net over me because I know too much about the ransom note. Well....that comes from study, study, study, reflection and study, over and over. I know that damn note has several more layers yet to be discovered and I'm currently on to a key item that I haven't written anything about but I have handed it off to my lifeline of trustee's. Hint: it might very well be the initials of the person that initiated the Ramsey hit. Oops...I've said too much again! Well.....study the word 'FAction'. I may be wrong on this but it's not the only hint on the damn thing that relates to FA.
     What I'm thinking about Swearingen and what I'm gonna say on public forum, are two different things. I'm at the point in my life where I really hate saying bad things about anybody if I can help it, and that's a conundrum with what's at hand.
     You and I are sitting on probably some of the most astounding and important information of the last 70 years of history, whether a huge pile of human magpies realize it or not. Yes, Dennis Kaufman's contribution have been pivotal but he's been missing in action for too long now.
     I'm gonna finish the damn manuscript very soon, then write follow ups. BTW, a smart friend of mine and I think that there are probably several ransom note practice pages that are hidden somewhere, because we know damn good and well that that f...ing note took a long long time to assemble. 
     Thanks for the information about those books Nanette, you rock baby, you rock!

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Hi Nanette, I just read the main section in the book: 'Law and Disorder' by John Douglas and Mark Olshaker, that deals with Heirens and the Lipstick Murders and Degnan murder. They list several good points that show that Heirens wasn't the killer. They also stated that the Degnan murder was sophisticated, and that kidnapping was not the motive. However, they don't believe that the wall writing and Degnan ransom note were done by the same person. This came via a handwriting expert's opinion.
     I feel strongly that they were written by the same person and mainly because of consistent signatory and theme characteristics. I think that this is especially so with the lipstick wall writing, as it relates to Zodiac Jack. I'll review those documents, because I recall that I felt strongly that were done by Zodiac Jack.....
     I just reviewed them while writing this message.....Douglas' handwriting expert is way off the mark...sorry John.
     Douglas' "take" on the Ramsey case, is very close to my own, except that I don't think that the hit on JonBenet was personally motivated against John Ramsey, whatsoever. I firmly believe that the crime was rigged to seem that way, as well as the staging that tends to show that pedophilia was a motive. I do, however, feel that these same people that rigged the Ramsey murder, were possibly envious of a false perception that Ramsey might have been going into the pedophilia entrapment business for himself. I strongly bear in mind the "Karr" factor.
     I strongly assert that Karr was a low level, and after the fact operative in the Ramsey murder, this is especially demonstrated within the Tracey emails, coupled with the whole Karr act and episodes.
     Sorry, I know that my punctuation and sentence structuring needs improving. BTW, the Ramsey ransom note shows signatory elements that relate to both the wall writing, and the Degnan ransom note, which are well hidden in plain view.

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