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Terry B, these are links of communications made by a supposed roommate of the suspect, and the suspect in the OCCK Murders. Tell me these aren't Z 101???

 


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Here is portions of the phone book. I will explain my findings as soon as I get a chance.


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Oh yeah, you bet they are Z 101, coupled with fact that he was in the area at the time.

For years they have been trying to piece it together but once again there are all the actors that come out of the woodwork that wanna obscure the things, like Helen Dagner...another self appointed know it all prick, she has all of the answers and nobody else knows anything, that's the way she operates, don't confuse her with anything called evidence, that's for sure.

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I think that address book and receipt are some very strong pieces of evidence coupled with what we know about JT.

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Nanette, I wonder if the type written note that was sent in is available on the net?

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I put in an FOIA request through TK's sister who is responsible for getting 3400 pages of the LE reports released to her and the family members of this crime spree, but the Investigator who called me said he would send it, and I never heard from him again. I think I might need to go through the proper channels with a proper request, but it is still around.


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That would be a very good thing to have.

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I am coming in late to this discussion.  Sorry.  What typed letter or note are you referring to?  I could do some looking too. 
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Dennis recently had the following to say about the Oakland County murders:

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This phone book that Nanette uses to connect Jack to the Oakland County child murders that she found when she was going through my stuff, did not belong to Jack. When Nanette found this phone book she went into one of her frenzies about this being evidence connecting Jack to even more murders. I would find out later that this phone book came from a storage locker we had bought at an auction. After I realized that this was not Jack's, I asked her what made her so sure this phone book belonged to Jack? She told me she had identified some of the writing in it, and it was Jack's. After she told me this I was finally able to locate the people who originally owned the storage unit we had purchased, and they confirmed that this phone book belonged to them, this confirmed to me that Nanette was a fraud. 

I want to make it clear that Nanette's ridiculous accusations trying to connect Jack to every murder across the country are just that "ridiculous"!

I was wondering, Nanette, if you had any comments about these statements?

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Dennis does not address whether or not he believes Jack actually wrote in this address book. He does not come right out and state that Nanette has made a mistake in a handwriting match. I don't know whether he feels this way or not, because he didn't specify.
He IS saying that the address book was obtained via a storage locker that was purchased at an auction; which indicates that Jack did not get the book from someone he knew or from a "victim" of any crime he may have committed.


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If you are familiar with the way Kaufman operates, you know that he says "just enough" to make his followers believe what he wants them to believe. But, he holds back key details so that if he is challenged on them, he can say that he never stated "X,Y, or Z", and that the person challenging him just made assumptions about that particular point. For example: the Shaw photos, the "human remains" found on Jack's property shortly before the release of one of Kaufman's DVDs, the buried IDs, the DNA (in '07 there was a "partial match" to Jack, but 6 mos later he claimed Jack's DNA had never been compared to Zodiac's, then in 2/09 he said the DNA matched Danny Reynolds!), proclaiming the FBI was going to announce Jack as Z in 5/09, proclaiming the FBI was going to prosecute Voigt and others for tampering with the letter "a" in the Z letters, etc. I think you get my point.

In reading Kaufman's post, he says, "This phone book... she found when she was going through my stuff" and "... this phone book came from a storage locker we had bought". Is it possible the "we" refers to him and Jack?
Kaufman may very well mean that Jack never laid a hand on this address book, but until he actually states that unequivocally, I'm not going to assume that's what he is saying. He, no doubt, realizes that if he challenges Nanette's handwriting ID in this instance, he puts into question her matches in the Zodiac, Black Dahlia, etc., cases. So, I'm wondering if he is willing to go that far at this point, given he has no other evidence to stand on to prove Jack as Z. He may be leaving himself another "out" if and when he and Nanette reconcile or he needs her handwriting matches again to sell some more garbage to try to make a few bucks. Given his past track record, I'll never take anything Kaufman says at face value unless he states something in terms that cannot be taken as having more than one meaning.

And, for the record, I've been very upfront with Nanette since I started posting here- I am in complete disagreement with her theories AND her handwriting analyses. 
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Kaufman said unequivocally that there is no possible way that Jack could have been in possession of or written in the address book in question. The book was obtained 2 YRS after Jack died.

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This is the kind of definitive statement I was looking for- Dennis has gone ON RECORD as stating that Nanette's handwriting match was in error. 
I happen not to believe much of what comes out of Kaufman's mouth, so, he could be lying about the origins of the book. Now, I don't believe the book actually connects Jack to any crimes at all, but I wouldn't put it past Dennis to lie about her making a mistake in an effort to attack Nanette's credibility in her chosen field. But, even if he is lying, he has effectively just thrown out any chance that her other handwriting matches would be given serious consideration in the other cases he's tried to pin on Jack. 

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TerryB stated,I still haven't seen any evidence that Nanette did anything wrong.

Well I know with absolute certainty that Jack never had possession of this phone book that Nanette claims ties him to the Oakland County murders. This phone book came from a storage that my girlfriend and I purchased at an auction in 2008. Jack died in 2006, there is no way possible for Jack to have written in this phone book, period! Nanette told me that some of the writing is this phone book was positively Jack's. Well she was wrong Jack never touched that phone book, and this I know. I don't need to prove it to TerryB, or anyone else. I already knew who Jack was before I contacted Nanette, and that will never change. Nanette's opinion is now worthless to me, and any claims made by her mean absolutely nothing. Even though her findings support my case, I refuse to support her ridiculous theories trying to link Jack to every unsolved murder across the country, this is BULLSHIT! She has over stepped her boundaries in every aspect of this case, and if you don't see this TerryB then something is definitely wrong.
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Not sure why the post came out all screwy- sorry about that!
The quote from Dennis begins below his name.

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First off, I have never done an exam on the phone book or the handwriting in it. I indicated that there was handwriting that was similar, but an exam wasn't in my near future until I finished school. Second, Dennis does tell people what he wants them to believe and follow, leaving just enough out, so that when you call him on it, he can say he never said it. This is the main reason why I dumped him.  

 

Dennis gave me JT's belongings supposedly! That is where I found the phone book, and Dennis was standing right next to me in my garage when I found it. Dennis claimed it was not his, and I proceeded to read the names in it to him to see if he recognized anyone. The last name I read on the front inside cover was John Hatfield. When I mentioned this name, Dennis proceeded to act shocked and surprised that this was the name of a person that he believed JT had killed. At some point in 77 when JT moved the family back to Texas, Dennis said that this man came to live with them out of the blue. One night JT became furious with him because he had been telling Dennis and the other kids some of the things that he and JT had been doing. Dennis claimed that he and his siblings were watching tv in the living room when JT began smacking this man in the head with a table leg. JT told the children to go to the room, but they listened to him hitting this man over and over again. Dennis said he could never forget the sound of the table leg hitting his skull. The next morning when the woke up, they never seen John again, but there was blood all over the place, and JT paid each of them a couple dollars to clean it up.

 

There is Dennis saying what he wants someone to follow. His BS that it was from a storage shed after all the claims I list above is non-sense and supercilious. [sic]

 

That would be freaky though that this phone book is from the very same period as the OCC murders, and ends up in CA in the hands of no one other than DK. LMFAO


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Nanette-
I remember you relating this story about John Hatfield when you first brought up the address book. Unfortunately, since you deleted all of your posts from Kaufman's board, I cannot provide a link to it, and when I searched that board for "Hatfield", only today's post from Kaufman comes up. In fact, it seems like the entire thread in which you discussed the Oakland Child case is now gone, so I can't search to see if Kaufman ever confirmed or acknowledged that the two of you had this discussion. Something in the back of my mind tingles with a memory of Dennis relating a story about cleaning up a carpet after Jack beat someone, but I couldn't find it anywhere. 

On Chris Yarbrough's board- the one that mirrors Kaufman's- I found a post which quotes the one that you made on Kaufman's board when you came across the phone book. Your post was dated 8/16/11.

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Today I was going thru JT's belongings and I found a phone book that has a 70's motif/colors....The pages were worn and yellow, and obviously old, so I started thumbing thru it.

I read off all the names to Dennis because he was here making sure that I was going thru stuff that was JT's and not his....This way I am more efficient....

He did not recognize the phone book, or any of the names in it but one.

John Hatfield (Hackfield), this person Dennis claims showed up in 76-77 and lived with their family for some reason.


This guy evidently told Dennis and his siblings things that he and JT had done and this infuriated JT to the point that JT began beating him with a table leg. Part way thru the beating he made all the kids go to the room, but Dennis said he will never forget the sound of the table leg hitting the man's head. They never saw this man ever again, and the next morning JT paid Dennis plus two of the other siblings to clean with bleach the carpet and all the blood that was left from this man. Dennis is convinced that JT killed him.....

That is not the best of the new evidence. This phone book appears to be from a female who lived in the lower end of Michigan and there are two receipts in this book that date it specifically to 12-20-76 and 3-3-77, all of which are during the Oakland County Child Murders.....Cha Ching, I will find the glory in JT's bel0ongings, I strongly believe this....

My speculation is that the owner of this book was a call girl, and here are my reasons:

1: there is a listing for all the police departments in the greater towns and area where she is obviously from.

2: The federals is also a listing...and the Detective Bureau.....

3: There is every bar in the greater area listed for some reason, and the best....

4: She has coded the phone numbers for select people in this book so that they look like a state and zip code, but when you decode them, they are obviously the same prefix as other numbers listed in the same towns. 

This is so awesome....

I do think however that she was probably killed by JT/John Hatfield due to the info that got him nearly beaten to death or killed if Dennis is right!

Excuse any spelling errors at this point, I am just so excited to have found this info.....It directly links JT to Michigan during the time frame of the Oakland Child County Murders, even right down to the date with receipts involved..... 

In this post- made almost 6 months before your falling out with Kaufman- you specifically state that Dennis was with you for the express purpose of making sure that any of the stuff you collected belonged to Jack and NOT to Dennis.
Now, if this address book really did come from a storage locker Dennis bought, it's plausible that he didn't recognize it because he wouldn't necessarily have gone through every single item in the locker or taken notice of something as insignificant as a phone book. BUT- in today's post he acknowledges knowing someone by the name of John Hatfield and stating that man lived with his family. How does Dennis explain YOU having that knowledge unless HE is the one that told you?! 

Your post clearly indicates your excitement at the discovery of the book and a name that Dennis recognized. I would assume that your excitement occurred immediately upon getting this information- which is to say, Dennis was there with you when you started getting excited about it and knew WHY you were excited. So either Kaufman purposely got you jazzed by hyping this alleged Hatfield beating and possible connection between Jack and this phone book, OR you skillfully masked your excitement in his presence, but then hurriedly jumped onto your computer to tell the message board about how happy you were about your new discovery.
The latter scenario doesn't seem too likely, so I'm guessing it's the former and Dennis was either lying TO you then or is lying ABOUT you now.

Regardless, Kaufman explicitly stating that your belief that Jack wrote in a book he'd never been in possession of seems like it greatly damages your handwriting analysis in the Zodiac, et al cases.  Do you agree?

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