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TerryB

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I found a transcript of the letter on the net, it seems like a phoney ruse but could be the real deal. It's really long winded.
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I'd have pasted the link but my latest version of Firefox allegedly won't let me paste the link without modification to some security settings, which is bullshit.

Having the keywords "slave" and "Allen" are most definitely JT 101, so are the misspelled words. The fact that the person calling themselves "Allen" sent Dr Danto to meet at a place called the Gas Station Lounge which turned out to be a gay bar is also JT 101. I'll read it over several more times, it's real long and goofy which is also JT 101.

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Carefully laying the child victims out on display shows nerve, just like the Paul Stine murder showed nerve, all of the Zodiac crimes showed more and more risk taking by the killer. As you know; the Zodiac killer bragged about making children his next victims. The actual letter was submitted to a task force several years ago, I'd bet it's handwritten.

Demand a high quality photocopy of that letter Nanette, they can't withhold it any longer, it's suspicious that it's not already in the public forum.

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From what I've been able to find out, the letter to Dr Danto was typewritten. It does have some suspicious missives in the text.

I read that all of the kids bodies were washed with Phisohex which was a banned product by that point in time, very strange.

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I'm working off of a transcript posted online regarding the letter from "Allen" to Dr. Danto in the OCCK case.

I have several reasons to suspect that it was the work of Zodiac Jack, the alleged report by the FBI has them buying into the letter as legitimate but here are some reasons why I think it was Jack "toying" with the police:

1) the word "slave" was used twice, a cross reference to the Zodiac cases
2) the word "anymore" spelled "any more," similar to the missives in other case documents, "swear to" typed "swearto."
3) the words shouldn't and didn't spelled with a letter "8" for the comma: "shouldn8t, didn8t," this would have been intentional not accidental.
4) the sign off was "Allen", likely a cross-connected reference to Arthur Leigh Allen of the Zodiac case
5) the whole "long winded" content of the letter is bullshit, the pseudo Hispanic syntax is nonsense too when compared with some of the more sophisticated English syntax in the letter
6) some words had letters juxtaposed and some easy words misspelled, typical of Zodiac killer documents
7) why would a person "in fear" for their life type a long winded letter with so many misspelled words? He has English typing skills and used a lot of broken English syntax? I don't think so!
8) He used a ribbon type of typewriter, the whole message could be found on the ribbon, that would be kinda dumb for a Hispanic guy smart enough to use an English based typewriter. What if the killer guy he calls "Frank" comes home and hears him pecking away on the typewriter?

Conclusion: the letter is one big "put on".

All of these things together and other evidence in the case scream: "Zodiac Jack 101".


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TerryB- the letter may very well have been a ruse. I have some questions about some of your comments.
You mentioned that you thought that the writer of the letter was pretending to be Hispanic because there was more sophisticated English syntax in the letter. Dr. Danto did get a call, supposedly from this individual, arranging the meeting at the Gas Station Lounge. That call was recorded. 

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I want (unintelligible) immunity. I want it by tomorrow night I mean tomorrow 9:00 (unitelligible). You be at Seven Mile and Woodward you know where Gas Station Lounge, you listen to me this only time I'm calling you (unintelligible). You want hang up, you hang up (unintelligible) but this is what I'm telling you (pause). You be Gas Station Lounge tomorrow night at 9:00 with letter from governor of Michigan giving me total immunity in return I give you polaroid pictures proving he kill them (pause). That's all I'm going to say (pause). You be there (pause). This is a bar (pause). Jesus (unitelligible). Gas Station Lounge (pause). You be there (long pause). You no bring police you be there by yourself (pause). You be there 9:00 tomorrow (pause). No it's a bar you stu(unintelligible). You be there 9:00 tomorrow (pause). You no bring police I prove he kill them. That's all I say. 

http://greatadthulhu.angelfire.com/Allen.html 

The speech patterns here do match the letter. Of course, both could be faked but I would think that would be something the authorities would be able to determine fairly easily, especially if it was Jack given his characteristic drawl. If the audio is part of the case and Timothy King's father is able to get it with his FOIA request, perhaps that could help determine if the writer/caller truly was Hispanic. 

I was also wondering what you mean about the letter writer using an English based typewriter? If he truly was living in Detroit and being held as a slave in an American man's home, then this is what he would have access to. 
Also, it's true that you can read off of a ribbon typewriter, but only if the ribbon has not been typed over more than once. The ribbons can be used several times before needing to be re-inked or replaced.

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Last thing first; the point about the ribbon was that the last message typed would stand out on the ribbon even if it was used over a previous area, the "Frank" guy, as it were, could have read the message.

I've know people from the deep south that have imitated a northerner and it seems amazing but they sound just like any other northerner.

The syntax appears to swing both ways on both the letter and phone call.

The first six points I've made about the letter are IMO much more important than the last two.

The letter was suspiciously long.

Additionally we have the suspect Zodiac Jack once again involving the newspapers in his crime, this too is JT 101.

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I agree that the typewriter ribbon  is a minor point, but I'm a detail kinda girl so, to clarify- the ribbon can only be read if it is the first time use for a cloth reusable ribbon or if it is a one-time use carbon film ribbon. With the latter, once the ribbon is used up, it's used up and the text that was typed can be read against the darker background of the remaining ink. However, the reusable cloth ribbons cycled through a number of times before the ink on the ribbon was used up, so if a letter is typed atop another letter, the text cannot be adequately differentiated from the other text on the ribbon.

I don't know the nature of the information that Timothy King's father is seeking from LE through the FOIA. An article mentioned part of it was in relation to Busch but whether or not the communications to Danto are included is unknown. They did recently release to the public, through the FOIA, part of the 6000 pages of information collected on the case. Maybe Nanette will be able to put in another request for these. I don't believe anyone has made them available on the web yet, but I could be wrong. 

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There are several cross-connected (rhythmically connected) clues in the OCCK case, I haven't compiled all of them but I'm working in that direction.

For example: Dr Danto thought the fact that one  child victim's body being placed on Bruce Lane as having some significance to Danto's name; Bruce L Danto, the "L" subs for Lane, then you have the slang pseudonym "Bruce" for a queer male, perhaps the link to the gay bar.

Additionally some people claim all victims in these various cases we've  link to JT; died on either a Sunday or a Wednesday, I haven't confirmed that just yet, these same people think that certain holidays factor in, Danto thought snowfall factored in as a trigger.

The Robinson victim name and her mother reminds me of the  overplayed radio song of that era; "Mrs Robinson" as a possible significance. "Heaven holds a place for those who pray." Get it?

There were more things like that in the OCCK case, I'm still  studying the case and sorting out facts from fiction.

The sad reality is that over the years there have been several unsolved child abductions, the MO's have been similar in many of these cases. Jacob Wetterling is one from my own state and the description of the perp fits JT.

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Dennis believes that JT would have been involved if the victim was killed on Saturday night or early Sunday morning, but we do see some on Wednesdays in these killings and others.

I haven't seen the letter in totality, and if someone could point me to it, I would appreciate it. I know it was typed, but we see typed letters in the CJB murder, so I think it should be comparable.

This Hispanic twist is something new, and no mention from the King's on this being a probability. I do know that Danto described a conversation with the "so called" suspect, and he had an authority in his voice that made Danto think of a Sgt. or the likes. I do not believe that he described a Hispanic accent at all.


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greatadthuluh.anglefire.com/Allen.html

Try that site, let me know if it works, I still need to fix my security settings on my Firefox program.

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Nanette, in the OCCK case as in these other cases; too much pertinent information has been withheld from the public, I think even more so in the OCCK case. Added to that; the case has suffered several "side shows" by people like Helen Dragner, she continues to operate in that fashion to this day. If she was legit; she'd have some basic documents like that letter available for those interested but instead she loads down the whole thing with her arrogant self aggrandizing.

Some University of Michigan Journalism students think the placement of the victims body's coupled with there names and location are meant by the killer to form an acronym, they just don't know what that acronym is supposed to stand for, as you know "cryptic acronyms" are a repeating occurrence  in the cases we've linked.

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Nanette, if you can get that site to work, look at the file labeled "other possible victims", the 1972 unsolved murder of 16 year old Donna Serra, perhaps it's cross-connected to Donna Lass and the Sierra Club "Peek through the pines" card. Get it? It seems that someone already made this connection awhile back? catseye maybe? Or you?

The fact that Ted Lamborgine could have greatly reduced his jail term by cooperating with authorities and refused to is very interesting in the OCCK case.

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Nanette, I understand that you wanna have a life too but please tell me if that link worked ? Please read my posts.

We're on the right track in suspecting JT was the ringmaster of the OCCK case, everything fits him. You got it right to suspect him, I wanna ferret the evidence out, I appreciate the fact that you pointed us (me) in the right direction on this and other likely JT cases. Dennis is still sore, I understand that, I stuck up for you again yesterday on his board, go check it out.

I'm not gonna give up on either one of you, nobody's perfect, the keyword is "reasonable". I'm tempted to take sides and play favors but hopefully and eventually you will both appreciate my tenacity and position on this and all things.

Come on now!

I won't let go for the sake of all of the victims, I include myself as one because I feel for the victims in these cases. It wouldn't be fair to others or myself to "let go of it." The evidence in some of these cases is very very solid.... as you know, maybe we can solidify it in the OCCK case? I think so.

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TerryB, I do not follow links from any of these forums due to the security issue same as you. That link does not work, and it seems far more efficient if you simply copy and paste the text you have on the letter here at the forum, so I can just come here and read it. If you have it that is. You and Jupiter seem to be discussing this and the phone calls, so someone must be looking at it and reading it.

I do not go to Dennis' board anymore because it is a waste of my time and energy. His latest attempt at using people extended to my special needs niece who he thought he could somehow talk my sister-in-law into allowing him to use her as a benefit concert he claimed for Tesla. I wonder if Tesla knows that Dennis is out there trying to drum up sick little girls for his own benefit. My sister-in-law and I were disgusted when Dennis claimed they were going to charge $10 per head, then pay the vendors out of the profits first, and whatever was left over was going to my niece. Of course, Dennis was going to be one of the vendors.....

I laughed my silly little butt off because if you are a vendor at a concert, then you are already making money off of your products, and not of the back of some sick little girl. Most vendors donate a portion of their earnings from the event to the cause, but not Dennis...He saw this as a way to make himself money while trying to claim he was doing a service for a sick child. Of course my sister-in-law wanted nothing to do with him after the way he lied and treated me, but people should be wary. I don't think Dennis will stop there.


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