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I'm really speechless reading about Kaufman's latest money-making scheme. Exploitation of a child, let alone a child with special needs, is beyond loathsome. I don't have a rich enough vocabulary to express my utter disgust.

Changing the subject before I start using curse words, here is the text of both the letter and the transcribed phone call:

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On the envelope was typed first this message

MOST VERY IMPORTANT MOST URGENT PLEASE.

Dr. Danto

I am dsperite and nearly gone crazy and havnt got no place left to turn. I am going to comit suicide if you cant help me. Please dont give up the killer to the police. You must help me as there is no one else I cant turn to. This is for real I know who the killer is, I live with him I am his slave. He whips me and beats me all the time. And he will kill me if he finds out that I have written this letter. I have been with him in his car when we go out looking for boys but I swear I have never never never been with him when he picks up the ones he killed But I amin it in it so deep I am just as juilty to the law as he is I stayed with them here here right here in our apartment during the day while he is working. That makes me just as guilty. And no one can hear them as they gagged all the time. You know he brings them in stuffed inclothes hamper no one here knows the differences. You keep saying Oakland county not true. He has delivery rout in Oakland and Birmingham places but we live in detroit. You want to know people in this building? Primps and hookers and fags, you name it. Like on Gremlin he had it sure Grimlin until last boy but no one stops him in Detroit. He junk it out in Ohio to never be found ever. I tell you what makes him do it it Vietnam, we there together, Frank and me, oh Frank not his real name I call him that here. Nam screw up your mindtoo. Tell you something else he killed lots of little kids then with medals for it. Burned them to death bombed them with napalm it's real becautiful there doc. He wants the rich people like people in Birmingham to suffer like all of us suffered to get nothing back for what we did for out country. Hes not a monster like you think he really loves children especially that little girl for 3 weeks not doing it because he hates childrens but doing it because he hates everybody else out there and this be his way to get even and get back at everybody.

But I cannot do it any more he says he wonts but I just know he is going to kill some more. I swear I had no idea no idea he going to kill that first little boy the one with blond colored hair. I shouldn8t ever never helped but trapped too late helped him stay uncaught, I am just as guilty as he is. I cant go on like this I fell I like to die.

I will turn him in if you will swearnto help me. I dont want any of reward I am so afraid if I turn him in I be killed or do forever to jail for what so something I didn8t want to or didn't start. If you be real doctor you must help me. If you promise and what really promise that you not punish me like you call it immuty I meeting with you this Sunday night, I swear, I swear I tell you all of it everything I have to tell someone have to tell someone. Please please please not print this in paper he Frank kill me. I am his slave and he owns me like whatever he wants almost killed me once. I be only one alive know it him. Nobody else know. I so scared all the time policeman come to door never happen. He say we never be caught but I am scared to die. I be guilty too. I not ge be call you araid police trace all your calls back to here. But if you will onluy please please help me help me and promise me not to go to jail in writing I tell you all of it everything everything and it all be over. I never never want it to be like this with little children dead. If you will help me please please. There be no toher hope. You tell me it be all right with code in sunday papers, this sunday, news freepress. You do like other letter you write on front page of papers this sunday, it be to say, Weather beuau say Trees Bloom in 3 weeks, I know you get my letter and understdna. It mean I can trust you. I set up meeting with you, no more little childrens die. Please help me please. I feel so bad like garbage not deserve to live any more. Maybe I kill self first must get out of this some way. Please help me.

I signed Allen



 

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I want (unintelligible) immunity. I want it by tomorrow night I mean tomorrow 9:00 (unintelligible). You be at Seven Mile and Woodward you know where Gas Station Lounge, you listen to me this only time I'm calling you (unintelligible). You want hang up, you hang up (unintelligible) but this is what I'm telling you (pause). You be Gas Station Lounge tomorrow night at 9:00 with letter from governor of Michigan giving me total immunity in return I give you polaroid pictures proving he kill them (pause). That's all I'm going to say (pause). You be there (pause). This is a bar (pause). Jesus (unintelligible). Gas Station Lounge (pause). You be there (long pause). You no bring police you be there by yourself (pause). You be there 9:00 tomorrow (pause). No it's a bar you stu(unintelligible). You be there 9:00 tomorrow (pause). You no bring police I prove he kill them. That's all I say.

Danto went to the Gas Station lounge just like Allen said, with a cop disguised as a customer with him. The Gas Station as it turned out was a local gay bar. The place was full of young hustlers who were often picked up by older gay men. There was also gay prostitutes out back behind the building. While Danto sat inside chatting with the bar tender, a man with brown hair stepped off the dance floor, and came up behind him and acted like he wanted to talk, but then turned away and went to the bathroom. After he came out, he stared at Danto some more, then he walked over to the cop and asked the cop if he'd like him to buy him a drink. The cop brushed the man off thinking he was just some gay guy trying to pick him up, not realizing that it may have been "Allen". The man then walked out of the bar, never to be seen again. Officially the police state that "Allen" never showed up that night, but they did believe, that that might have been him.



 

 

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Several things say the letter is goofy and very much like Zodiac Jack.

For one thing a Latino or any foreigner wouldn't  have  served in Vietnam with an American GI, so the supposed FBI logic would be flawed to say it was any kind of foreigner and especially a Latino as the phone call implied.

Once again the perp just has to get the newspaper to print his bullshit. A governor of the state isn't gonna give immunity, that would come via the prosecutor, governors can maybe grant a pardon, maybe, maybe not in the state of Michigan.

The missive any more vs anymore is Zodiac Jack 101, so is the use of the number 8 for an apostrophe.

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Have you read somewhere specifically that the FBI felt the author of this letter/ the person who called was Latino? I can see where one would get the impression given the phrasing used, but did a member of LE actually state outright that this was the belief?

Could you elaborate more on your comment about the perp having to get the newspaper to print his BS? From my understanding of the statements in the letter, "Allen" was asking Danto to put a coded message ("Weather beuau say Trees Bloom in 3 weeks") in the paper so that he would know Danto was willing to communicate with him. Are you saying "Allen" wanted his letter or a story about him in the paper, as well?

And just for completeness, there actually were many Latinos that served in the Vietnam War. At the time, any Latino casualties were lumped in under "Caucasian", so there is no official separate record of the Latinos who were wounded or killed. However, many Latino advocate groups since then have researched and believe that as many as 170,000 Latinos served during the Vietnam War and more than 3700 were killed. These men represented each of the 50 states and many were actually not legal citizens of the US but were allowed to serve anyway. It's still true today that non-citizens can serve and, in fact, it is required by law that certain non-citizen males between 18- 25 yrs of age register for the Selective Service System (the draft). So, while I don't know if "Allen" was real or if he was Latino, that part of his story could stand up.
 
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Thank you Jupiter for the post, and at my first reading, I find that most of the tenses and singular/plurality rules were followed which I do not normally see with an individual who learned Spanish as their first language. I completed a case not too long ago on emails and typed written letters from a suspect where the key identifiers were the failure to use these rules correctly in almost every sentence, and the suspects own known writings showed these same incorrect usages making identification complete. So, I think that this person is attempting to look as though they are a foreigner, but because they didn't even understand the language barriers between Spanish and English, they failed miserably. This was not written by someone who's first language was Spanish.
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Added to that; one has to make a distinction between Hispanic surnames and actual aliens from south of the border, furthermore it would have been confusing for those in command to deal with alien Hispanics that had that much trouble forming proper sentences, yet it has several very proper sentences in it.

I agree with Nanette and I point out for example; that the author makes proper use of the word "is" in the first section of the letter, yet in the last greater  section he leaves out the word "is", the word "is" is used with regularity by Hispanics... even by Hispanics that struggle with the English language, it's a very key word for them to use. There are several examples in that letter of both the use of proper  English sentences and words but also then it has totally absurd sentences. There are so many things about it that are absurd.

As far as whether the FBI really reported anything about that letter...at this point in time I can't really say, I don't even know if that's a real copy or not, I've only found that same text on two web pages on the net. It probably is an accurate copy.

In most of the cases we've studied; the killer just had to get the papers to print something of his doings, especially in the BD and the Zodiac killings.

That letter is just nonsense in so many ways. I think there are several clues in it that point right to Zodiac Jack, every time I read the thing I notice more subtle things about it that shore up my suspicions, I'll probably read the thing at least a dozen times in the next few days and make notes on it. It's kinda sickening to read.... just like the JBR ransom letter is sickening to read but nevertheless....I'm bound to study it over and over. Both of those letters are filled with pure bullshit.

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Well...I see that Helen Dagner of the OCCK case has recently posted that she now believes there's been an active cover-up in the OCCK case, surprise-surprise ! She also admitted that she was told this way back in 1991 and chose to ignore it.

The OCCK case is ripe with cross-connected clues to all of the other crimes we've explored such as: JonBenet Ramsey, Zodiac, Black Dahlia, Chicago Lipstick murders. Texarcana, I45 etc. The mastermind of those crimes initialed his work in several ways as well as his own actual initials !

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Well, I've read this OCCK case letter to Dr Danto several times now and I'll read it several times more.

Notice that the author spells the word "guilty" correctly, then in the next sentence he spells it "juilty". I think he wants his "JT" initials in the thing.

Notice the line were he writes: "Burned them to death with napalm it's real becautiful there doc." Notice the proper use of the apostrophe in the word "it's", yet he wants us to believe he's a foreigner? He also has to get that little dig in there by joining the statements "burned them to death" and "it's real beautiful there", beautiful being misspelled which is another JT 101 nuance.

Acts of domestic terrorism is what all of the crimes we've talked about have in common. Keep the human sheep in line with fear as a tool, get them to react instead of carefully thinking things through, get them to comply

This letter is filled with the same sort of psycho-lingual babble that all of the cases attributed to our suspect have. It's staging and nonsence, contradictory statements integrated into the text just like the text in the JBR murder document aka "the ransom letter", the "War and Peace" of ransom letters because of it's length, well this letter is awfully long too and filled with double talk, double talk both figuratively and literally. 

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Thinking about the vietnam reference and it being beautiful there makes me think of when Dennis claims that Denny called home from vietnam and told JT that he would love it there because it was hunting season all year long. I don't recall if Denny called it beautiful or not, but these references are really similar in creepiness.
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"guilty" - "juilty" was another good find TerryB as I have found this type of writing in many of the writings where the suspect is trying so badly to dumb down himself that he attempts to make an easy spelling error not realizing that he had already spelled the word correctly in a different line. I will have to compare how many sentences in between the incorrect and correct words there maybe a similarity in this like the letter "e" misspellings where I found them on particular lines as if that is where he cued himself to make the error.

PS, TerryB, do you know if there was any other suspects named Frank in these cases?


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I also noticed that "Allen" indicates that he was only with Frank when he got the boys with no mention of girls, but not the ones he killed. Then Allen goes on to say that he really loved the girl who he kept for 3 weeks. This is contradictory and must be the suspect's writing and not a roommate. Trying to act as though he wasn't around the ones he killed, and if this is so, then how would Allen know Frank was the killer if he wasn't with Frank or around the ones that Frank killed?

Plus, there is the indication that the suspect has a hatred for the rich, and I have been saying for sometime that JT's victims were that of influential and wealthy families. So were some of the suspects of the crimes for that matter.

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Nanette, I don't recall that any named suspect was a "Frank" besides this author calling himself Allen; said that "Frank wasn't  his real name". Yes, I too was reminded of the Denny letter with regard to Vietnam. Once again we have people of means being the targets of our suspect.

This letter has the same type of taunting crap in it. He says: Especially that little girl for three weeks...etc. Notice he has no trouble spelling the word "especially", and notice how snide this statement is. The same goes with one of his early statements: "Please dont give up the killer to the police." What the hell kind of statement is that? A snide one and maybe a cryptic one as well, does he hint that the police were involved? It seems possible with that particular statement. The letter is filled with snide remarks and deceptive nonsense.

What a bullshitter this author was, just like the other cases, for instance he writes: And no one can hear them as they gagged all the time. The use of "as they" clearly shows he knew proper English yet omits the word "are" to try to fool us. There are too many examples of proper and traditional English sentence structure in this long winded letter for it to be the work of a foreigner especially in the "very long" first paragraph. It's JT 101 all the way through.

Thanks for making the connection to this crime(s) Nanette, that's a "good find."

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BTW, I've had a lot of fun showing people the JT initials in the JBR ransom letter, the last guy I showed it to was apologizing about having ever thought Mrs. Ramsey penned the thing, he was going off on how saturated all of the thing was with J's and JT's. My presentation of it really spooked his wife.

Last week I showed some of my stuff to a retired cop and he recognized everything I was saying, he said the BDP really messed up that case, I told him that the FBI played a pivotal role in messing up that case too.

I've floored everyone I've shown this stuff to.

Also and BTW it was painfully obvious that at least some of the investigators were corrupt in the OCCK case, one of them used some very poorly formed sentences that clearly indicate to me that the guy lacked even a grade school education, he really radiated stupidity with his poor use of the English language. Very disgusting behavior for a cop, very sad really.

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The fourth line of the OCCK letter shows typical and perfect American English sentence phrasing: "You must help me as there is no one else to turn to." This is a dead giveaway that the broken American English syntax that comes later is a put on.

He says he's guilty (juilty) (sic) four times.

He uses the word "code", the use of code is typical Zodiac Jack 101, the same goes for the fact that he used the word "slave" twice in the letter.

The whole letter is very typical Zodiac Jack 101. I wanna see a photo copy of the original, it's a deceptive act for LE to withhold this from the public.

A link between the OCCK case and the JBR case is becoming more and more recognized in recent times, I've seen this on several web pages these days.


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The "you must help" statement is what we see in LK, BD, and Z where the suspect states he cannot control/help himself or please help...

I spoke to a person in the last couple days who wanted me to do a handwriting exam on his subject/subjects. He theorizes that there was LE involved in the Z killings, and more than one suspect. This is much like these other crimes we discuss, and of course there has been much speculation as to how many people were truly involved. He thinks that he has figured Baldwin Park either by or in Mt. Diablo area where there is what he calls significant proof of Z's activity. I am intrigued in looking at his solve, and will see what it yields. If anything he has good contact with family members of victims, and he feels that he can facilitate the investigation of potential leads that I may come up with. This could be a ruse, or could at a minimum lead to information that I did not have or know before. He seems to have some substantial information in regards to some key players in the Z case, and these are things I am lacking. Wish us luck...

Researching the OCCK case will be one of interest.


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I've found an article that the author of makes an long line of reasoning and states that the he thinks the OCC killer has a split personality and that the killer and Allen are one and the same person. He has several cross-connected clues he presents. Additionally he points out the fact the the OCC murders mark the exact "Zodiac" beginning and ending of winter.

I'd link it but this site and Kaufman's are generating a message saying I need to modify my Mozilla file to be able to cut and paste here, do you know anything about that?

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