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I hadn't read that about McReynolds, can you source that for me? He did emphasize that he wasn't certain it was actually Karr. I think the red spot part of the story fits in with other clues. As you know he also said he had credibility problems "up the ying".<br>


my source is the transcript of the LE interview with Pride.
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I will source this, but I have an article from a man who claimed that a white haired, 5' 10", pot bellied, limp walking, older man was asking for a cigarette who appeared to have congenital heart disease was their first take and description of this person at the Greyhound bus station. Then this same man years later changed his story to claiming that it was JMK.

 

I have to say that JMK has never even in platform shoes been 5' 10", has never had a pot belly, white hair, or a limp based on the evidence I have been given.

 

I will find the article, and I know that people have been approached, and changed their original stories. That is what we get in this case from Hartnell to this greyhoung patron.


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The only article on that that I have found was supposed to be a statement by Daniel Pride, I sure would like to get that whole business clarified.

BTW I'm currently reading "The Black Dahlia Files, The Mob, The Mogul and The Murder" by Donald H.Wolfe, it's seems pretty well written. He debunks Hodel's book, I thought that Hodel's book was totally lacking in evidence, this book confirms that. Wolfe claims that the crime was being covered up way back then.

As you may know; Degnan  becomes Norton where body parts were displayed, it seems to me I read Degnan Blvd, I'll do a map search but I think it's a good cross-connected clue that someone on the other MB found regarding the fact that one of the Chicago Lipstick killer victim's was Suzanne Degnan.

BD's body parts were layed out left to right like: J-E or JT but very similar to the JT combo letter on the Chicago lipstick wall writing.




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The only article on that that I have found was supposed to be a statement by Daniel Pride, I sure would like to get that whole business clarified.


read the transcript of the LE interview with Pride. Its all in there and it wil stop you posting rumors rather than facts.

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I will read the LE transcript once I find it, so far I've only seen the one page on the subject and it's not a deposition. This is the second or third time I've asked for a link to the LE deposition.

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I still haven't found an LE transcript of Daniel Pride's testimony. Otherwise I'll have to spread rumors !

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It's interesting that jameson discounts the Daniel Pride testimony, I don't discount it because from what I've read; Pride contacted the BDP right after the murder to give his statement. The reported "red spot" or "patch" on the person in question is also very relevant, some speculate that it might have been JBR's blood. There's just no reason that Pride would have made this up and he says that other people were on the bus that could corroborate his testimony.

jameson also discounts Nancy Kreb's statement; claiming that Krebs was making her own choices, apparently jameson is unfamiliar with the "Stockholm syndrome.
Her take on Fleet White jr is also something she's wrong on, it's very apparent that some investigators were suspicious of Fleet going to the cellar room upon his arrival but then claiming he couldn't see in the room because it was too dark...a room he had been in... in the recent past.

The most obvious handwriting match of the JBR ransom letter is to the "Red Phantom" Zodiac killer letter, many individual letters are a direct match. When the documents are put side by side with the correct letters sizing it's very easy to tell they were penned by the same person. The lower case n's, m's, c's, y's, t's, w's, r's, h's, e's, g's and the u's can be over-layed to match. The a's and the d's are different but that was certainly intentional. The h's on hell-hole form a fanciful  JT mounted sideways. The stems on the two g's on suggest resemble the two L's on carefully on the JBR ransom letter.

I suspect but can't yet prove that the planting of the books Mindhunter and the Danish book were the killers way of pointing to the crime involving Danish nationals, this could be a false lead too, so who really knows?


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"BY Rope" that is my latest point that has also been made by others, the Zodiac killer had not murdered "By Rope" until JBR, not any high profile murders anyway.

JBR is most certainly also Zodiac killer 101.

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INSIDE INFO the Killer needed to know

-the Ramsey's didn't use their alarm
-no dog in the house that night
-they used the spiral stairs
-JBR liked pineapple, planted evidence found
-knew the layout of the house
-there would be paper and marker for note
-that they would be gone to the Whites
-had to know of bonus pay
-knew John Ramsey's name
-knew about Ramsey's business
-knew "fat cat" phrase
-someone that the child met or knew told her to expect a secret visit by Santa
-killer/author was very familiar with several movie lines, Dirty Harry, Ruthless People, Speed, Ransom
-how to construct garrote

-The mention of the men who have your daughter indicating more than one person's involvement and foreign faction like Anthrax screams. By Nanette


Since the ransom note author used the term "monitor"; it points to the likelihood that a lot of information was collected on the Ramsey's, the dog being gone and the Ramsey's attending the White's Christmas party point to the fact that the perp(s) needed updated info at the time of the crime, knowing that the Ramsey's were going to bed early enough to get up early would very likely have to be known by the perp(s) as well.


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This definitely points to inside information that appears to be consistent with these cases which is why so many people believe that there is more than one person involved.


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Exactly! That is a very good point. If you can think of any other things to add to that list, please do so.

 I wanna post the list we had on the old MB, the list that was kinda called "what we have so far that connects Zodiac Jack", like the red heart in her hand matching the one on his arm, the missives match, the handwriting's match, once again a cryptic message with S.B.T.C, same or similar word usage like "Speaking", "you shall," "I will" etc, same taunting tone and attitude, JT initial clues, same overkill characteristic, long winded message, same type of victim, Zodiac said he was gonna turn to killing kids, the "By rope" threat wasn't fulfilled till JBR murder......that's part of what I recall, I should have a copy on one of my other computer drives.

Yes, it's definitely a Zodiac Jack 101 crime. 

Then we need to compile a list of cross-connected clues. It all need sorting and organizing. I'm starting one in my files but so far it's not large, it will need a chart to be drawn up too.

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I have a huge list of cross-connections that I did before TM came to Cali. to meet with Dennis and I. It is a phenominal match up. That is my plan. While we discuss each of these crimes in their own threads, I will start one on the letters from all the crimes I believe have JT's involvment so that the cross connections can go untainted.


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That would be cool.

I was thinking that he might have gotten a little frustrated when he later realized that he dumped/displayed BD's body sections on Norton when it stands to reason that he headed down Degnan which becomes Norton. Of course he was doing his taunting of the police in the Black Dahlia Avenger card along with a prime JT nuance initial clue.

I also can't help but feel that he was trying to form the letter J with the way he posed her legs, the knee on her left leg had a slight bend to it, then he would have gotten his little jt combo with her upper body section, or maybe he was after an "E" with that section or maybe a "W", he had the two sections apart about a  foot or so and offset slightly as you know.




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Whomever this jbradfield66 person is is awfully worried about the truth coming out on the JBR murder.

All of the cases mentioned are ripe with tangible cross-connected clues and evidence, this killer and his possible associates have signed their work much the same way street gang graffiti artist's sign their work with gang symbols etc.


















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Nanette, as a trained professional handwriting examiner do you feel terryb is qualified to analyze handwriting samples? Essentially, is the science of handwriting something that can be credibly achieved by a layman and doesn't require special training?
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