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why is this even being debated as it has been proved that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note, on a pad in the house, using a pen in the house.
 
If Nanette wamts to link JT to every crime where a note has been written, so be it. But Patsy Ramsey wrote the JBR ransom note.
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Whomever made that last statement hasn't kept up on the case because DNA evidence doesn't match any Ramsey's, Boulder DA cleared the Ramsey's of any wrongdoing. The handwriting never did match Patsy's according to experts hired by LE. Furthermore only a complete idiot would say that Patsy wrote the ransom letter.

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Furthermore only a complete idiot would say that Patsy wrote the ransom letter.

I believe there is a good chance that Patsy wrote the ransom note.  Does that make me an idiot?

FBI agent Clint van Zandt was one of several FBI agents asked by LE to work up a profile of the RN writer. Within a couple of weeks after the murder, he had determined the RN writer was a well-educated female between the ages of 29 and 40 who knew the family and knew the home well; he further deduced that JonBenet was already dead when the RN was written. The caring and nurturing language in the note--"be well rested," etc. helped convince them the writer was female.

No handwriting expert has eliminated Patsy Ramsey as the author of the RN.  There were several who stated that she “probably did not” write the note.  Two experts hired by BPD gave opinions that Patsy Ramsey was probably the author of the note.  At least 10 independent experts outside of the investigation have concluded that Patsy was the author.  To even confuse the issue more, there are several people who have stated that Patsy was ambidextrous although she denied this.

Finally can you tell me how many kidnappers/child molesters have broken into a home, tortured and murdered a child and then took the time to find a pad and pen within the home, write a practice note, write an extremely long ransom note and then place the pen back in the original container from which it was taken?

Only an idiot would post information that is poorly researched and then present it as if they were an expert.

 

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707catseye aka Harriette Sucher is without a doubt one of the stupidest people currently on the internet. And she is Dennis' landlord!
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I think out of the three Nanette has the best chance to see the light and free herself of the pathetic Jack Tarrance fraud. I commend her for going to school  and trying to better herself.  It is true that in the past she has done some pretty stupid things like  banning people by the dozens. But people can change. I am crosssing my fingers that she will see the truth that this Jack is Z thing was just one big hoax created by Dennis Kaufman to make a buck. It could not be more obvious at this point.



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Some people can pick out similarities in handwriting or even different forms, and as far as I can tell TerryB is only going off my original findings and looking for what he calls JT letter combos, not so much doing his own exam.


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That's true that I am going off of your original exam but I've also checked out the overlays of letter by letter, I've also become very familiar with this particular "ticks" too.

What I said about only an "idiot" would say Patsy Ramsey penned the JBR ransom letter is something I still stand by.

The FBI was wrong about Richard Jewel, wrong about Dr Hatfill and wrong about the Ramsey's, wrong about Dr Ivans,  Period !

How the hell would Clint Van Zandt know that a 29-40 year old female penned the ransom letter, that's just plain idiotic.

Aghora bases comments on out-dated information, his or her remarks fail for many reasons.

Women generally aren't fans of movies like Dirty Harry, Speed, Ransom, Ruthless People, Yeah .....you can tell by the macabre way that Patsy Ramsey decorated her home that she was into those kinds of things....NOT.

He/she said: Only an idiot would post information that is poorly researched and then present it as if they were an expert.

Your information is poorly researched, Lou Smit said nobody was gonna pen that ransom letter after the murder, he said the author of it "thinks" like a criminal, the Ramsey's didn't "think" like criminals, you dumbass you Ahgora, that little girl was deliberately murdered in a very very brutal fashion. I hate wasting my time on idiots like you.

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Ahgora is just another troll posting the crap he/she did, more of the old tell a lie "loud and often" ilk.

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I should have said only and idiot and/or liar would say Patsy Ramsey penned the ransom letter.

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INSIDE INFO the Killer needed to know

-the Ramsey's didn't use their alarm
-no dog in the house that night
-they used the spiral stairs
-JBR liked pineapple, planted evidence
-knew the layout of the house
-there would be paper and marker for note ( actual marker used was an older ink than other marker found in house)
-that they would be gone to the Whites
-had to know of bonus pay
-knew John Ramsey's name
-knew about Ramsey's business
-knew "fat cat" phrase
-someone that the child met or knew told her to expect a secret visit by Santa
-killer/author was very familiar with several movie lines, Dirty Harry, Ruthless People, Speed, Ransom, old RKO serial movies diabolical mastermind themes; this is the (Zodiac) Speaking, you shall, I will, and hence(sic)
-how to construct garrote
-killer was apparently familiar with the "threshold" effect of throttling the victim for a certain effect, or so it seems

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JBR ransom note nuances:

-note artistic way he constructed the word "She" in line 8 is  J-hooked "S" as in Chicago Lipstick and Zodiac docs
-JT nuances saturate the ransom note in many different forms
-three different types of small a's were used throughout the ransom letter
-the capital letter F resembled in style to the anthrax Goldman Sachs threat letter capital letter E with J-hook effect
-the letter has the same back bowed "y's" as found in Zodiac killer and Black Dahlia,  documents and J Tarrance docs
-cryptic cipher acronym found on many Zodiac killer documents, anthrax Goldman Sachs letter with periods
-backwards and forward j-hooked stems on the y's and t's as in Zodiac and Chicago lipstick case
-page 3 the first "a" has a j-hook at the top of it
-the long stem on the "g's" are found on several Zodiac killer documents
-one of the capital "D's" is identical to the type found on Jeanne French's body and the Goldman Sach's letter
-the last capital "D" on page three resembles the "hands of a clock, this is Jack Tarrance and Zodiac killer 101 tied to celestial navigation
-the acronym S.B.T.C can also be tied to Norman Ramsey's 1940's development of a quartz crystal cut SBTC, note has the use of periods between the letters as in other crimes
-his lower case "n's" have the same exact shape as in Zodiac documents and fit right over each other as do the majority of letters
-his lower case "o's" are unique as well
-the lower loop on many of his upper case "B's" is smaller on many of the documents
-note a "dot" in the middle of the U of page 3, this ties to many Zodiac, Scorpion, Anthrax and earlier documents
-most of the W's have a distinct "J" nuance to the second loop completed with an additional top stroke
-killer used typewriter font "t's" to serve as JT's throughout, one has backwards stem as in Chicago Lipstick and Zodiac cases
-misspelled "business" with two s's is found throughout all documents as well as spacing between words such as cannot
-page 2 has a direct statement; "You will also be denied her remains for proper burial." This in fact was threatened by former police chief Eller, Eller did have to relent on this point

The ransom note also has an interesting and limited use of cursive writing, perhaps they form a hidden message. Found in the note are 31ea "F's" and 30ea "W's" which may have some significance to the family friend Fleet White, White was trying suspiciously hard to incriminate the Ramsey's. Most of the F's are in capital form.

JT signature nuances made several ways:

-there are two basic types of JT's formed,1) by single letter or combination (combo) and 2)by double letter formations
-by intersection of one word over another, note how he spaced the words to make that happen, an example is: page 2, lines 8 and 9, "watching" over "like", the ransom note has 8ea of these
-by deliberate proximity, an example is: page 1, lines 24 + 25, the words "you" over "might", the ransom note has more than 5ea of these throughout
-line 5, page 1; has a JT formed  in the word "the" with the "t" and "h", there are several of these throughout
-page three in the word "Victory" he formed a JT signature with the "c"and the "t", more of these are throughout
-the percent signs form a JT combo
-the "font" style "t's" form a JT combo
-the "f's" form an inverted JT combo, this is Zodiac killer documents 101
-line 10, page 1: the word Follow is improperly capitalized
-many additional and somewhat more subtle JT signature nuances are found throughout the document.
-provable and fanciful JT's found in the Zodiac Killer Red Phantom letter in the words "hell hole" formed in the h's.


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INSIDE INFO the Killer needed to know

-the Ramsey's didn't use their alarm
-no dog in the house that night
-they used the spiral stairs
-JBR liked pineapple, planted evidence
-knew the layout of the house
-there would be paper and marker for note ( actual marker used was an older ink than other marker found in house)
-that they would be gone to the Whites
-had to know of bonus pay
-knew John Ramsey's name
-knew about Ramsey's business
-knew "fat cat" phrase
-someone that the child met or knew told her to expect a secret visit by Santa
-killer/author was very familiar with several movie lines, Dirty Harry, Ruthless People, Speed, Ransom, old RKO serial movies diabolical mastermind themes; this is the (Zodiac) Speaking, you shall, I will, and hence(sic)
-how to construct garrote
-killer was apparently familiar with the "threshold" effect of throttling the victim for a certain effect, or so it seems

You do realize that many of these facts point to the parents.
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Here are some additional facts/evidence to think about.  By the way, I am posting information that is documented and can be researched - not my opinion.

*Little 6 yr old girl is beaten and molested on Christmas night in her home.

*Parents call the police early the next morning and claim she was kidnapped.

*Parents produce a "ransom note" that is three pages long. This "note" claims there are more than one kidnapper involved yet vascilates between using the singular "I" and the plural "we" in the note when referring to them/him/her.

*Note claims they have their daughter and will kill her if they do not give them money.

*Ransom demand is meager and an odd amount compared to Ramseys wealth. 

*The Ransom, $118,000, is the exact amount of John Ramsey's bonus.

*When police arrive at the Ramsey home, Patsy Ramsey is not only in full make-up and her hair done - but is wearing the SAME outfit she had on the night before.

*Police note in their reports that the Ramsey's acted oddly that morning and noted that they behaved as if a "death" had occurred rather than a kidnapping.

*Parents lied about their son Burke being awake during those first hours that morning. NO NEED for this lie whatsoever unless he too was involved an/or had knowledge that would incriminate the family.

*Even though the note warned the Ramsey's NOT to call police or anyone - they not only call police - but friends and pastor to come over "right away"!

*Even though the note warned that the Ramseys every move was being watched and "monitored" - they felt absolutely NO FEAR in sending off their 9-almost 10 year old son Burke across town to "friends" home. Leaving HIM vulnerable to being kidnapped as well. Especially in light of the fact that the Ramseys defied the notes instructions (by callling police and friends) which would be obvious to the "kidnappers" who were "monitoring and watching" them.

"Ramseys lawyered up from day one - and immediately adopted the perspective that the police were the enemy - NOT the killer/s of their daughter. In fact - they told the nation the day after they buried her that they "weren't angry" but just needed to "move on."

*20 minutes after "finding" his daughter DEAD in his basement, her father phones his pilot and asks him to ready the planes to whisk his family away that night out of the state - leaving his tiny daughter's body all alone. Unbelievable.

*Ramseys could not speak to the police (never mind badger them with questions on the progress in the case as innocent parents of murdered children do) - yet they were able to go on national television (CNN) and submit themselves to an interview for the world. This clearly defined the motivation utmost in their minds - then - and forever more - to try and rectify their "good name." NOT - to find this killer.

*Even after the parents "discovered" that their daughter never was in fact kidnapped, no ransom money was ever sought, etc. - they STILL defended that ransom note! Why? Because they HOPED to manipulate people/authorities into still buying it. Which was the whole purpose of the note to begin with. Deflect attention away from what REALLY happened to their daughter.

*No handwriting expert has 100% excluded Patsy as being the author of the RN. 

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Those are all false and skewed points that Ahgora has made, that is the same tact of people referred to as BORG's on other message boards, tell a lie loud and often.

People of your behavior continue to ignore and lie about the FACT that DNA evidence has cleared the Ramsey's, you ignore or lie about the FACT that blow to the back of her head would have taken down a 200 lb full grown man, a blow that broke her skull all the way around to above her eye socket. You continue to ignore and lie about the  FACT the several handwriting experts HAVE eliminated Patsy Ramsey as the author including and especially Nanette Barto.

It's very clear to me that the BDP was very biased against the Ramsey's based on false information fed to them by the FBI at the time of the crime.

 Linda Arndt's comment that she could "see it in his eye's, that John Ramsey knew what happened' was one of the most unprofessional, outrageous, stupid azzhole remarks imaginable.

Nanette, you want me to post on your board ?, then get this Aghora troll out of here, people that post blatant lies based on false info need to go elsewhere or I will, others can play this game, I'm fed up with such bullshit. I put up with catseye long enough and I won't deal with liars and skewers of the truth.

I haven't posted on Kaufman's board because of lies from jbradfield666.

I take truth and justice very seriously. I have no patience for liars, spinners, flamers and especially where it involves  serious crimes like the murders of women and children.

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Terry B,

Instead of having an emotional outburst and calling me names, can you tell me which of my statements are false and point me to independently documented information that corraborates your accusations.  As an example, can you name one handwriting expert that was directly involved with the investigation that has 100% eliminated Patsy Ramsey as the author of the note?  Please point me to one handwriting report that does this.  Instead of attacking me, please show me the documented facts.

Thank you.
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Yeah, right, gimme a break, you base your stuff in the direction of holding the Ramsey's responsible for their daughter's viscous and brutal murder, then I'm supposed to steer you in the right direction for information ? Yeah right !

There's tons of info on the net about the crime.

And now you continue to harass me about the handwriting business ? Yeah, right !

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