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Well....the reality is that the person that did the actual killing is probably still alive, maybe a professional hit man did it?

Nanette, I can't help but suspect that there are people in law enforcement that hold key evidence that can lead to the killer but they simply aren't moving in that direction. For example: Maybe the crime originated out of Denmark, then we'd be looking for a foreign national suspect. Maybe that book was planted as a false lead?

Because of the "Billion dollar John" factor I think the prime conspirator(s)were/was a US citizen. The crime needs to be explored from the angle of "who benefits",  meaning "follow the money", that means a careful examination of the Access Graphics/Lockheed Martin/GE business connections. They tried "too hard" to purge John Ramsey out of the loop, he sued and got a settlement.  It also means examining "all" of the possible and potential people that might benefit.

As I recall; Lou Smit said he thought that the killer had "done this sort of thing before" and "would do it again" unless they caught him first. The way Smit was steered away from that case by BDP and the DA's office was very troubling.

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I had seen early on that all the crimes that have gone unsolved involved affluent families as victims, suspects who commit suicide or die of a heart attack, and a Z/JT 101 factor. I think that this is like political warfare or something, and it is definitely inside our own government. I think that the Z factor that has been given to so many of these crimes was an easy way to make people sound crazy if they attributed all these crimes to one person, but it makes sense that it is more of an organization, and JT was a trusted go to guy for a very long time. I have felt that since the beginning of my time with these cases, that this suspect was far to bold, and the only way you could be that bold was because you were protected.


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Nanette, let me first state that I think that the pedophile aspects of the JBR murder wasn't even really secondary as far as motive but primary as far as the staging of the crime goes. This is in agreement with your assessment of the crime. Maybe there was a snuff film of it made, maybe not.

I noticed once again that they recently busted another guy in Boulder Co for having thousands of pedo-porn images on his computer but notice that you never hear of any real efforts to locate the source of this material, no accountability from our so-called government. If they did produce any investigative results; I for one would tend to feel it would all be one big side show.

In the JBR case we have two "top shelf" successful detectives with John Douglas and Lou Smit that within a relatively short period of time announced that the parents weren't directly involved. Douglas took about four days to reach that conclusion and he probably knew right away what the real situation was. Smit took a little longer but that's fine too because his reasoning was explained to others and was very sound.

In stark contrast there were certain members of BDP and the FBI that wrongly leaped to conclusions and then stubbornly kept up the same anti-Ramsey campaign. These same members used some highly suspicious reasoning and statements that I think criminally implicate them as "accessories after the fact". Additionally they ignored exculpatory evidence like the "secret visit from Santa" and the stun gun marks. Former Det Thomas called the stun gun marks "make believe" yet many expert witnesses have confirmed that these 2ea sets of matching marks could only be explained as coming from a stun gun, specifically one particular model of the "Air Taser" brand. Furthermore; they would have the public believe that the  Ramsey's wrote the note yet they haven't explained what the Ramsey's did with the missing pages from the note pad, the missing end of the paint brush, the missing roll of black duct tape and other peculiar things about the crime. So they'd have the Ramsey's disposing of these items yet not smart enough to dispose of the body?! Leaving the body in that room certainly to be found the day of the crime?!

I think that somebody up the chain of command told some of the other birds below him to "jump off the wire when I tell you to",  that seems very obvious to me, in other words they'd better follow him "or else". I say this because the behavior of some of those people transcends simple stupidity and enters into the realm of conspiracy.

Look at how hard they tried to get a audible track from the end of the  Patsy Ramsey 911 call tape, yet the noise level was far too high for this to be sensible. Was a co-conspirator supposed to have injected an incriminating track but that effort failed for technical reasons?!  I tend to think so. 

Skipping over to the Amerithrax case and looking at "who benefits"; "motive" becomes very apparent, or so it might seem. From early on; even certain members of the FBI felt that the crime was carried out by an American citizen. To "stage" the crime in terms of motive we have the "Greendale" school aspect of the return address... that certainly would tend to point in the direction of Dr Hatfill, failing to railroad Hatfill for the crime they much later turn their spotlight on Ivans, once he's dead they then claim that the "case is closed". How creepy is all of that?


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Well, the good news is that more people are posting a connection between the Zodiac, JBR and OCCK cases, getting that to sink into the heads of some people is a hopeful sign, if it becomes convoluted with misinformation, then I'll be disappointed but not surprised.
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I concur with your assessment of these cases as you probably already know, and if we truly are getting people to pay attention, that is a good thing. I know that we can at least keep this board straight and on the JT trail so that it does not become convoluted. Here people will at least be able to read the truth about these crimes whether it is through the diligence of people like us who maintain active files with true information on the murders in them. Sorting out the BS, and filtering the truth is the most complicated part whether JT was the sole perpetrator, just one of many, or had no connection at all.

We are at a minimum cataloging information that I truly believe will not be available to many for long without people like us....

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I showed part of my JBR case info to a retired police patrolman friend today, this guy is pretty smart, he immediately recognized and acknowledged the JT initial clues. 
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The number of views on the old JBR thread on DB board was up to 20,000, that means that the word is spreading about the JBR ransom letter.
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That word should spread because that letter has JT's habituation all over it, and he should be considered as a main player in this crime. His absence from the family in late November through most of December gave him just enough time to come up with this letter for whom we do not know, but I do believe that there were more than one active player in this fiasco.
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A lot of people would tend to reject out of hand the link to the Zodiac killer in the JBR case, they think it's just too incredible, that's because they use their own "frame of mind" to deal with the world around themselves. It takes study to follow and understand this killer's methods.

As I and others have noted: JBR's body was found on Dec 26th which was exactly the same day 20 years after one of the OCCK victims was found. It must have irked Zodiac Jack that her headstone marks her death as Dec 25th, perhaps her parents didn't want to give him the satisfaction but I don't know that for sure.

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I think that when you get down to the nuts and bolts of the handwriting, the JBR letter has more of JT's natural letters than any I have seen, and the fact that they were slipped in at the end of the letter suggests that he tried really hard to omit these similarities, but in the end, he became tired and weary. Maybe this was a sign of his age or possibly the heart condition he was suffering during that time frame which is backed up by Dennis when he claims that JT was very ill when he returned from "Texas". And, JT landed himself in the hospital with congenital heart failure in February per Nora's diary.
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Perhaps he wasn't as concerned whether his handwriting could be matched up since he sure wanted his JT initials all over the thing.

OCCK victim Jill Robinson's body was left on display on Big Beaver road, mysteriously; beaver hairs were found on JonBenet Ramsey's body that were never sourced. These two cases share several similarities as well as cross-connected clues.

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I don't think that beaver hairs would have triggered any speculation to a 20 year old murder case leaving a victim on Big Beaver Rd. I think that would be way to subtle for the average person to catch onto considering most people still do not relate these cases at all.


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TerryB, did you say that there was a Nancy Krebs in this case? I found a Krebs listed in the members of the Bohemian Grove Club.
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The deposition of Nancy Krebs to the BDP is an important factor whether some people want to admit it or not. I think that because she is related to Fleet White it is pertinent. I allow for several angles as to how it could  fits into the case. Nanette, you need to read that document.

The Bohemian Grove thing is kinda goofy IMHO, all it really is is a wealthy person retreat where the burn "care" in effigy in the form of a small girl. I think I said that right?

Then there was Maynerd G Krebs of the old 60's Dobie Gillis show...hahaha.

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Oh, I think the beaver hairs meant something to the killer.

Most people that wanna follow these cases need to get familiar with the writings of former FBI Profiler John Douglas in order to understand the mind of the serial killer.

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