Message Board
Register Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 6 of 60     «   Prev   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   Next   »
habituation

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,134
Reply with quote  #76 
They may have, and I cannot speculate on them because I didn't even know they existed. Frankly, I have a lot of catching up to do on the specifics because all I know is the handwriting, and not so much the facts surrounding the cases. As with most of my handwriting exams, I prefer not to know the facts until I need to, or after I have completed the exam.
__________________
Have a positive and inspirational day!
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #77 
That's a good answer, that makes perfect sense.

Before I read some of the works of John Douglas; I'd have been very scornful of such reasoning but I am reminded of the fact that thankfully I don't have the same mindset of a serial killer. Even JT told DK that the Zodiac stuff was stupid, maybe that is an indication that JT was part of a conspiracy.

BTW, it comes as no revelation to me that DNA excludes JT as the killer of Cheri Jo Bates, this is via DK and he hasn't fully explained that situation. I never though JT was her actual killer but maybe recruited after the fact. For one thing; that  murder was very sloppy. Yeah, the desktop writing looked like JT's but the sign off and the crime itself lead me to believe JT wasn't the actual killer in that crime. Then again...maybe he was ....because the DNA thing hasn't been clarified, like where did they get the sample from..etc?

__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #78 
Nanette, at this point in time I'd say it would be good idea to start to a low intensity study of the JBR case, there are a couple good knowledge based sites on the net and a bunch of really lousy sites. Like everything else just look at the basic facts. Start by reading everything that former detective Lou Smit had to say about the case as well as what John Douglas had to say. Former DA Alex Hunter has interesting things to say about it too. Skip for now all the stuff about the various suspects, then later on look at some of the other characters. Study should be a comfortable process and at your leisure and allowing plenty of time to digest the basic info. I'm doing the same with the OCCK case and I  have most of the basic facts ingrained in my memory.

The crime scene info is loaded with some really queer evidence and as you know; the ransom letter is very very queer. The behavior of the White's is very very queer too. And I have to admit that the comments by  Patsy Ramsey seemed to be laced with Freudian slips, I said seemed. Instead of her saying "who did this?", early on she said:" We just wanna know why this happened." That response didn't help her politically but I add that she was still very very upset.

I'll post my odd JBR evidence file very soon, I may have done so already but a second posting won't hurt.

The Nancy Krebs factor is discounted by several people but not by me, I just limit my reasoning with regard to her testimony, in other words I don't make a lot of assumptions about it but I do have some definite observations about it in much the same way you do about John Mark Karr's role.

__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
habituation

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,134
Reply with quote  #79 
Well, we know that no LE agency is actively investigating JT, and where this supposed DNA came from no one will ever know. Dennis is so hell bent on discrediting me that he would make up lies to do so, so it is your choice to believe whether or not DNA was actually ran on CJB. I bet it hasn't, and if it was, we are looking at SFPD DNA screw up 101 all over again I am sure. The rigging of the car, the knife DK claimed for so long that was part of the crime. I guess it was just more bs lies???

Yes, a low intensity study sounds good.

I was told that Dean Ferrin was a paul bear at CJB's funeral along with 2 homicide detectives from the bay area who were present at the funeral as well. I am not sure how they all play into each other, but I am getting the low down here soon. It seems strange that Dean Ferrin would be a paul bear for CJB, and that the next soon to be victim would be Darlene Ferrin??? It's like Bauerdorf [sic] and BD knowing each other and winding up dead so close to one another as well.

__________________
Have a positive and inspirational day!
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #80 
Nanette, the fact that Dean Ferrin was a pallbearer at CJ Bates funeral is very interesting indeed. I freely admit that there a lot of little things like that for me to discover in all of these cases. That's pretty spooky isn't it?!

Perhaps a DNA profile on the CJB case was already on hand? It seems to me that someone said it was a partial profile but enough to work with for the sake of clearing someone.  As sneaky as the Zodiac killer was; it's also possible that he left someone else's DNA because as you know; they could match suspects up by blood type and it seems to me they had additional tests they could run as well.

What do you know about the victims that had money? That's something I need to bone up on.


(Edited
: I should have said and meant to say " If in fact Dean Ferrin.....etc.)

__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
Jupiter

Registered:
Posts: 96
Reply with quote  #81 
Dean Ferrin didn't participate in Cheri Jo's funeral, and I don't believe there is any evidence that he attended or that he knew Cheri Jo or her family.

This is a picture of Cheri Jo's funeral from Voigt's site:


And here is a picture of Dean Ferrin, also from Voigt's site:


As far as 2 homicide detectives participating, I'd not heard that before. In my opinion, the men in the picture look rather young, perhaps contemporaries of Cheri Jo. 

habituation

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,134
Reply with quote  #82 
Thanks again Jupiter for clearing that up. You never know what nut job is trying to sell their story. I didn't believe it when the guy said it, bu tI was down to have him show me, and now there is no need. Saved up some time for me. I have been busier than a one legged woman at a butt kicking contest. 5 new cases have come in over the last 4 days, and I really don't have the time for any jokers. I do not see anything that looks even remotely like Ferrin in CJB's funeral pic. What a joke! Sounds almost like Dennis. It is, it is, don't you see it, but wait, I never said that! I can just hear it now.

I spent more than half the day sorting my notes and files on these cases, and at the same time had two different people contact me with homicide detective theories. At least, this shows that I am not bias, and only wish to close the case by taking a look at what others have to say, and continuing handwriting exams that continue to exclude other suspects.

TerryB, I do not believe that the victims had money as much as I believe their parents were influential people.

Even when it comes to many of the suspects, they were from well to do backgrounds. These were obviously high profile cases for a reason, and the players were just as high profile.

__________________
Have a positive and inspirational day!
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #83 
I shouldn't have used the word "fact" in this instance. It's hard to tell with those particular pictures, the lighting is different, if that's Dean Ferrin in the color photo he's smiling, people can look really different when smiling vs somber. I don't know either way.

Nanette, where did you get the info regarding that rumor? I've never read or heard that before, also I've avoided Graysmith's books on the Zodiac killer. I am ready to read his books now because I can now compartmentalize the info on the subject.

Dig that "flower power" print dress on Darlene, really tacky ....but that was the era.

__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
habituation

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,134
Reply with quote  #84 
I've been talking to this guy named, get ready for it, "Dennis." I should be scared right, and I do not rightly believe a lot of what he has to say, but I am very interested in his 340 cipher solve using the map and DL postcard "peek through the pines." He says that it unlocks the whereabouts of many victims in what he believes is 8 different parks, but mostly Baldwin Park. He was suppose to see me yesterday, but got held up. While I do not believe he has the players correct, they have nothing to do with locations of evidence, so I am still interested in his story and how he came to the solve, and now that I am done with this weeks cases, I am making the time to do so.
__________________
Have a positive and inspirational day!
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #85 
Nanette, regarding the JBR thread that was on DK's board, the one that you started, did you save it and do you still have it? I especially wanted to keep the "what we have so far that connects Jack" list, it was a list that we kept adding things to, it had for instance; the fact that JT had an outline type little red heart on his arm that resembled the one left on JBR's hand.

I probably have that in my files too, it's just that I need dig to find the old hard drive that has it on it.

We had a fairly substantial list of things that connected JT, I'll look for it too.

BTW, I think that you will find the Nancy Krebs depositions very interesting in light of the crime and that fact that she is related to Fleet White.

The documents I've read regarding what John Douglas had to say about the JBR murder aren't that many, there are several Lou Smit documents but not an overwhelming number of them. I've read all of the depositions that I can find and it's a lot to read but is interesting.

The Lou Smit statements are the best place for anyone to start at, he was very careful in his reasoning and did an excellent job of keeping things in perspective.

__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #86 
Well....in the JBR case we have yet another so-called detective by the name of Jim Kolar that wrote a book called "Foreign Faction,... etc". Here is another stooge that chooses to distort and exclude key evidence in the JBR case. He was hired and dismissed by Mary Lacy. This guy also chooses to ignore several items which exclude the Ramsey's, like the fact that they have no criminal background and the fact that the murder was very viscous and brutal, the fact that the damage to her head, neck, genitals and legs show that this was not part of an accident, also the fact that the ransom letter was written by a seasoned criminal with very violent tendencies. The BDP and this Kolar stooge lie by omitting the fact that UNSUB male DNA has been found on at least two separate items belonging to the victim.

The evidence is right there for the public to note the fact that both former detectives Thomas and Kolar tried to "cash in" on this tragedy. It's one thing for a public person to write a book on the subject but quite another for a former detective(s) to "cash in" on the crime, this clearly demonstrates misplaced values and responsibility, it shows that they hold  money as being more important than justice.

__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
habituation

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,134
Reply with quote  #87 

TerryB, I found a collection of the threads that I removed from Dennis' board when I went through my files yesterday. I have backed up all pertinent information from my computer before I begin the research into these cases again.

I think I am ready to rock n roll. I will start with the LK files and move through them consecutively by date. I will begin a new thread for each crime spree, and we will cover any and all thoughts pertaining to each while notating the MO similarities between them and Z.


__________________
Have a positive and inspirational day!
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #88 
Hi Nanette, if you could find the latest posting that I made that was titled "What we have so far" or it's "what we have so far that connects JT, it was a list that included the red heart on her hand matching the one on JT's arm. If you could copy and paste that one in this thread I'd really appreciate it, the main thing is that I have the older, shorter list and I can't remember what was all on the latest one.
__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
habituation

Avatar / Picture

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,134
Reply with quote  #89 
I will look it up as I go through the cases, but I have to do my best to remain diligent on one case at a time to ensure the accuracy of the reporting. Then end the thread with the coincidences that occur between each of them and Z. Then I will lock the thread to public access unless I receive a PM to make an important update to it. I will allow only evidence and facts on these threads, and absolutely no points of view. I would like to stick to the case at hand, and what I may need to do, is create a question and answer thread that coincides with the crime.
__________________
Have a positive and inspirational day!
TerryB

Registered:
Posts: 1,542
Reply with quote  #90 
Tonight I was reviewing some youtube footage of the JBR murder and was struck by how much the gable trim pattern of the front of the Ramsey house resembled the odd symbol at the bottom of the Zodiac Halloween card, you'd have to rotate it and invert it but otherwise it's strikingly similar. Some have called this the/a Flova symbol.
__________________
One small bit of info might make all the difference.
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.