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OK Nanette, I can see the where my use of the word "stack" led to the confusion. It also shows me that I need to improve the way I'm explaining the decoding of Victory! S.B.t.C, in terms of reasoning and methodology to you and the public at large. So, I'll start over, and try to simplify things.

First and foremost, two basic things need to be kept in mind:

1) That the last letter P, in the word "up" signals us what to look at, which is the cryptic sign-off "Victory! S.B.T.C". 

2) That this same letter P "pointer" resembles the shape of Lake Michigan, and it also has a letter D for the testicles portion of that same letter. These together trigger a 'Detroit Michigan' suggestion. This 'in turn' suggests the area in which we are gonna think about and look at.

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3) Next, and as a researcher such as myself, I'd already recognized that the Zodiac killer's documents are all linked up with a lot of strong hints and direct evidence. So, the letters V and i, in "Victory," then caught my attention. The letter V has little hooks on the tips, which if extended would resemble the backwards facing or "dyslexic" looking letter N, as found on the Paradice Slaves document. Straight up, so to speak, the letter i resembles a colon. This triggers a coordinates suggestion. Or "N:" for North vs V:

4) As I worked the following letters 'ctory' and 'SBTC' against an alpha-numerical table, I already knew that the decoded numbers were gonna need a 42 prefix for latitude and -83 to -86 range for a prefix for longitude, in order to be in the same neighborhood hinted by this puzzle. Instead, c and t gives us 320, c=3, t=20. Also, there's no 83 through 86 longitude number prefixes found in the decoded letters.

5) At this point it's already pretty apparent that the letter c resembles a letter J laying down. This triggers the idea that the letter c has a double purpose and meaning. I think of this as a reinforcing hint, that the letter c is a imposter, or a phony. So, I robbed the number 1 from the decoded letter J, or the number 10's first digit, in order to get a number 4 instead of a number 3. 

6) The longitude prefix -86 was simply installed ahead of SBTC's decoded numbers. The reason is simply because -86 is nearest Lake Michigan in terms of longitude.

7) This overall decode started out as a short list of observations which triggered certain suspicions. A certain amount of trial and error was initially applied to this puzzle. The final results prove that I'd discovered the truest meaning for the cryptic sign-off. For these following numbers: 015182 and 192203 to fit directly into the decimal coordinates N:42.015182 -86.192203, and land near Burke St and Garret Rd, (for the garrote's most common pronunciation) is not gonna take place by random happenstance, in terms of the numbers.
That's the "bottom line."

8) After this first discovery was made, I then discovered that the decoded numbers 165516, taken from the hinted letters PEEP, from the "paper" over "between" hint, and plugged in place of 192203, lands right on the northbound lane of Burke St. This same proximity hint is very obvious in review.


OK, I'll now go back and fix my diagrams accordingly and thoroughly review the whole works.

I edited this message to fix some errors.


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So, item 4-5 sounds like you had to force fit. Since the letter characters led you to believe that you were working in Michigan, you purposefully went to work on how you could obtain these numbers. So it wasn't from any system that could or has been reproducible. Someone would have to see it like you, think like you, and then work it til they get their result of a predetermined location. It is a pure luck chance that in the end it lands on the very locations which spell out Garrot and Burke of course, but extremely interesting nonetheless. 
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First of all, I didn't get an email notification on the DB Cooper thread posting by you, in which you posted 20 hours ago, as you apparently did on this thread at the same time.(?)

"Force fit?" Isn't an entire anagram then classified as a "force fit"? This resolution that I've done, is not  anagram based.

I merely recognized that the letter c is also posing as a letter J. It's a "significant" hint, so I used it's first "significant digit," which is the number 1. In fact there are at three ways to look at the resolution of the 42 degrees latitude prefix. And...Zodiac Jack apparently liked to do things in three's and multiples thereof.

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So it wasn't from any system that could or has been reproducible.
  Most junior high school math students, and a great number of grade school kids can follow this "system" as you've called it. And, it's fully reproducible. There was no "luck" involved.
     As a matter of fact, I'd say that it's not credible that an organization like the FBI would miss that "Victory! S.B.t.C"  is an encryption. It's a simple puzzle to solve. Certain FBI agents didn't miss the fact that the taunting documents in the Cooper caper are heavily encrypted.

The numbers make it a definitive find. The "paper" over "between" hint bolsters it too.

Start by finding all of the intersections in the state of Michigan that resolve as both Burke St and Garret Rd, especially with Burke St ending at Garret Rd. Then work that against ALL of the intersection there are in that entire state!  

     See how many exist in the entire country. Then break any and all down into an "odds" number. In either instance you, you then have only one-half of the "odds" formula as it applies to this whole puzzle resolution. You still have the other half of the equation that comes from the numbers that Victory and SBTC offer up, by which to compare against whatever results you get on the intersection odds. This is why I used the term "astronomically improbably."
    

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No Nanette, if there was any "luck" involved in the solving of the cryptic sign off, it came on Sept 20th of 2016, when my friend Bob Shilz said to me: " Don't you think that some of these letter d's look like nooses?" He was pointing out some of them on the first RN page, like the words: "daughter", "adequate", and two of the ones found in "delivery." Right then, I knew he was correct. When I got back home, I noted especially the one in "dog"... t-handle and all. These are items of irrefutable evidence, with just enough subtle and detailed evidence that shows that the RN had to have had a lot of planning that went into it.

     It took me another 60 days to realize that the letter p's were drawn to resemble male genitalia and act as pointers. Then yet another 60 days to get to the last example of the letter p.

     Please try to understand that I was very sick of dealing with the whole works, and that I've had to raise a little cash doing small jobs, in to order sustain my tending of the study of the Ramsey case. For the last 6-7 years, I've always forced myself back to the study of these cases, and especially the ransom note. That very fanciful document has several other strong and interesting hints on it, that, so far, I've never mentioned on this forum, or anywhere in the public forum.

     BTW, I was pointing out the 'wing-ding' detail in the implied word "earlier", on line one of the second RN page to Bob, when he made his "noose" observation to me. 'Structurally' speaking, this 'wing-ding' hint implies the word Cartier', as in the high grade wristwatch company. 

     Bob took a huge load off of me with that very key "noose" observation. I was simply looking "too hard" at the ransom note and missing the most basic and obvious evidence available.

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6-3-18 The murder of Dr Steven Pitt and two others: I currently have no idea why anyone would gun down Dr Steven Pitt. This morning I was looking for the footage of Pitt talking about the Ramsey murder, so that I could post an exact transcript of his Ramsey case remarks. They'll turn up later, but for the moment I'll post the gist of what they were. As best as I can currently recall, Pitt "claimed" that "he could sit and talk for twenty minutes about all of the things that showed that the Ramsey's were involved in JonBenet's murder, then he went on to claim that he could then spend another twenty minutes showing all the things that show that they were not involved." To put it as politely as I can, these same remarks by Pitt are pure hogwash! Pitt didn't have twenty minutes of legitimate information to show that the Ramsey family was directly involved, because he didn't even have one minute of legitimate information to show they were involved! I charge that Pitt was acting as an MSM fake news deep state shill with regard to the Ramsey case. It was wrong for Pitt to have been murdered, but that doesn't negate the fact that Pitt was wrong in his role as a media tool. The MSM fiends have resorted to a list of subliminal lies regarding the Ramsey case, Pitt wittingly or otherwise... was one of their stooges. Perhaps Pitt had a change of heart in his Ramsey case role? Maybe not? 
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TerryB, John Ramsey was part of a political list which coincides with the "fatcat" statement. The Zodiac Killer was not kidding about a "Little List." The names are revealing themselves, and the preditctory insinuation by the FBI is literally shining through. Black Dahlia was predicted, Sheppard, Ferrin, Bates, Stine, and more were named well in advance, but Law Enforcement didn't know what to do with the messages.
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It's a very good and very key point that you've  made here about the "Little List" thing. It serves to debunk the perception that the killings were random. His use of "consternation" and the phrase "I'm in controol(sic) of all things," also clue us in on his journal. Noteworthy is his repeated use of the word "editor" and his use of "Chief Piggy" etc.

I spoke briefly with Bob Shilz yesterday and pointed out the fact that if you wanted to control this or any country, press editors and police chiefs would be your primary operatives. Now review the suspicious actions of the original Boulder police chief in the Ramsey murder!

BTW and for what it's worth, the night after Pitts was murdered, the Minneapolis police were crawling all over the place. Lately my wife and I were commenting on how we even wondered if this town even have any cops any more...because they seemed to be a rare sighting in recent times.

Back on topic...yes indeed Nanette, a "Little List" is a very timely observation by you.

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I am starting to think that the list was to do away with those involved as most conspiracy theories go. You find a go to guy, and then you do away with that go to guy once the job is done so that they can never talk. Zodiac clearly thought he had killed both Sheppard and Hartnell at Lake Berryessa. I had originally thought Sheppard was the target, but messages have revealed Hartnell's name as well in the Zodiac crimes and now the Atlanta, GA crimes. I do not know as of yet the involvement, but as I put the messages together in the presentation things are coming very clear.

I am up to Black Dahlia at this point, and I am starting to see the connections.

TerryB, I must apologize for the naysaying that occurred with your perception of the intended letters in the RN. It turns out that letters are being executed on their sides to impersonate other letters, and this is giving more credibility to your solve. You can thank Catseye for understanding better Jack's systems that are currently yielded respective messages to what is and has been going on in this word for wayyyyyy tooooo long.

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Hi Nanette, I meant to answer this message by you sooner, but I've had a lot on my plate lately.

About the Shepard/Hartnell/Lake Berryessa attacks, I have some very strong and assertive points to make: 1) Neither victim received "immediately" fatal wounds, meaning no main arteries were severed. Shepard receive approx. 3 times the number of wounds that Hartnell received. 2) Shepard lived long enough to give a report, but had simply lost too much blood and she slipped into a coma and died. Hartnell survived. 3) Had they both received immediately fatal wounds, the ominous executioners hood would have gone unreported. 4) Why the fanciful hood, if your goal was to see them both dead? 5) The ominous hood with the cross hairs symbol sold newspapers and reinforced the phony bologna  "Zodiac killer" narrative. 6) I assert that Zodiac Jack rather skillfully delivered all of the wounds and got the exact effect he was after. 7) It would take anatomical knowledge to start stabbing someone repeatedly and not hit a main artery.

The "BD" Cooper documents were redundantly used, which shows that they were intentional done and not an error.

BTW, on of the figurines that look like Christian crosses found on both the SKY MARSHALLS envelope (Cooper case) and the Ramsey ransom note, they may actually double or even possibly triple as another type of symbol found in technical drawings. I don't know what they are called, but I'm gonna find out. They actually resemble little daggers on the technical drawings I'm talking about. I'll post more info on this later on.

I'd prefer to refrain from comment on catseye at this point in time. I simply mean that I've found some her work a little too hard to follow in the past and I've found myself very apprehensive of some of her conclusions. That doesn't mean that I reject her input altogether.

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Noteworthy is what the killer stated when he called the cops after the Lake Berressa attacks. He said: "I wanna report a murder...no, a double murder." Break this down as him first stating "a murder" a single murder. Then a pause and "...no, a double murder." Based on my research and observations, I read this as the killer hinting "not a double murder," and by the overall statement, he only intended for Shepard to die.

Another suspicious aspect of the crime is the cop giving  details to the press. The cop is steering the narrative by stating certain foregone conclusions as to the motive.

Usually cops are directed to avoid giving details to the press and offering foregone conclusions as to motive.

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OK, the cross type of symbol I mentioned is interestingly enough called a 'dagger'. You can get it on your PC by typing 'alt'+0134, and 'alt'+0135 to get a double 'dagger.' (holding the 'alt' key and typing in the rest of that command)

Technical writers of yesteryear must have had special typewriters that had these same features on dedicated keys? *Asterisks are the most commonly used footnote symbol. 

So, the symbol on line 13 on the Ramsey RN in the $100,000 figure probably doubles as a 'dagger.' The same goes for the one found on the SKY MARSHALLS envelope from the DB Cooper FBI FOIA files.

I've seen the 'dagger' used many times over the years, knew is was a footnote indicator, but I never really thought about it's name or description, and it's root derivative.  

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I can't recall if I posted either of these here or not? The top one is an early work, the bottom one is recent. It's interesting that I find myself using the word "intent." What does the use of that word tell people that have been following the news and paying attention in recent times? Hint-hint!
delivery comp2.jpg  delivery intent.jpg  The so-called Ramsey "ransom note" is a far more sophisticated document than most people even realize. The same goes for the apparently extensive planning and execution of the crime.


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I made a mistake on the top diagram in the last message, I posted the wrong diagram from my files. The box pointing to the word "delivery" on the far left, is supposed to say that the letter e is not holding onto, or attached to the letter l.

You have to be mindful of how all of the rest of the letter i's are detailed on the RN.

I found that the only other words that have the dot attached to the stem are on the last example of the word "instructions" and the word "think." However, the two words "delivery" on the right of that diagram, are very very unique indeed.  

In reviewing the RN this morning, I'm seeing a pattern of messages that I now see in a new light, especially when looking for the absence or presence of the "not" statement modifiers. Some statements gain a whole new intensity, while some other messages are dispelled. The statements that turned out to be not true, are apparently key to this whole idea and way of decoding and determining which statements are probably true and which are not. I'm also noting the idea that he implied double and triple meanings with the statements that then appear to be true. This is a historical detail that's common throughout and especially so on his later writings.

I think that the gravity of his own misdeeds were weighing heavier on him personally, than he himself fully realized. Or, maybe he did realize his moral situation and coped with it by this journal he very apparently left behind? Meaning all of his writings taken together, along with the Ramsey RN.

He had a history of taunting the cops and the victims, but I see that most of his taunting has been rigged towards his co-conspirators.

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I think you are very correct TerryB, I have been discovering through the messages of Swearingen and Catseye that he is now informing on the very people he used to do business with. I am still tracking the messages in my presentation that not only begin predicting who is on the list, but then begins telling on those that were involved. My take is that they must have attempted to put him on the list, so he began some deeds in order to tell them by code that he will spill all if something happens to him. I think this is a very smart man who knew that just like others involved in these political wargames had to go, so in turn did he. We haven't visited the JBR RN note just yet, but the grill cipher is literally laid over the message, and based on particular symbols "." and letters, i.e., turned sideways or upside down, there is a message to be had. I am almost willing to put money on the fact that the solve that you made with S.B.T.C. will likely be part of the message decoded in Catseye's attempt. I am sure of it....That sideways c/j in Victory is probably intentional as you found, and like we have said for years, there are double or more meanings to this maniacs messages.

These messages yielded John Ramsey's name as early as the Scorpion ciphers to John Walsh in 1991. They knew long before the attack that this was going to happen, and yes it was artfully, skillfully, and premeditatively conspired. I still believe that Jack is the writer and not the killer. I believe that he was in need of money and if they couldn't do away with him, they could continue to use him. All the way through the Anthrax messages, and this is why we saw the likes of John Mark Karr's involvement. The second people started whispering that the Anthrax messages looked like the work of the Zodiac Killer, they had to do something to make it look like he was no longer in the country. At least until Jack had passed.... This conspiracy went on for the final 5 years of Jack's life. With congestive heart failure, they must have known it wouldn't take long.

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Didn't Swearingen fart us all off and refused to communicate?
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