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What exactly did you think was pertinent to the plane being a Washington DC based jet, TerryB? Other than the governmental inclusion. What would it be doing in Washington State?
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I have recently been receiving interesting complications with my computer while trying to post the new handwriting slides, and information about this case in particular.

Ironically, I have been being diverted to other sites while trying to access my own message board, and today I posted on this thread, but it took literally more than 6 hours for the recognition of this post to my email which is usually fairly immediate, within minutes. I have either contracted yet another virus while investigating and researching these cases, or just another unexplainable time consuming and energy sucking problem with technology that we pay oh so much for because this computer is only months old...

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Nanette, I vaguely recall seeing the "bird fly south" statement but I don't remember which document it was on?

Here's another little piece of inverted poetry, for what it's worth: That Cooper jet, flight 305, crossed Hwy 503 near the Merwin Dam, then Hwy 503 resumes a little ways south of there and practically parallels the flight all the way down to and past the Battleground WA VOR area. I don't know if that was intentional or simply happenstance. The Cooper caper wasn't a violent event per se, even though there was the threat of violence with the bomb threat.

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I was composing the last reply when you posted that question. In answer, I'm not sure the fact that it was a Washington DC based plane means anything in particular at this point in time. When I first found out, I found it interesting. Maybe that particular plane had some esoteric modifications to it?

My PC has been hacked and cleaned on an ongoing basis, same with my email. I've come to expect it.

I've been hoping that you'd comment on the available handwriting in the Cooper case.

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I have just substantiated Zodiac in efforts to build the base that the FBI said Dennis Kaufman needed. I have 3 sources I am now combining. The timeline of Jack's whereabouts, murders that has fallen in line with this type of killer, communications written in the progression of the crimes, and I will complete the examinations on handwriting in date order. I am finally up to the Lipstick Killer, and like I said, I have a new agenda for researching this stuff. So, for a minute, you may only see things that have already been visited, but they will be more specific based on given information over the last 5 years. I know that this may be redundant, but it will pay off in the end.

I am working on a new site to reveal everything that I have, and much of what I will have to say hasn't been shown yet. The Cooper caper will be revealed only if the handwriting suggest that it should be, and once I am convinced that it is one and the same with the Zodiac.

I know that you didn't think much of this case when I originally reported I would be doing the examination, so what is the rush, TerryB?

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Nanette, for me the only rush was to get myself as fully informed as I can regarding the Cooper caper. Yes, I admit I was skeptical at first, and I still am about certain aspects of the case.  When I detected pure bullshit from the FBI regarding the Cooper caper, it really pissed me off. I'd just finished reading the 'J Egar Hoover, the Man and the Secrets', so I'm a little rev'd up about that whole subject. Hoover created a cult within the FBI and he had amassed a lot of illegally obtained information on a lot of people, that's a well known fact. The FBI only answers to the public when it suites their needs, so if you're waiting for confirmation from them, you'll probably be in for a long and indefinite wait.

As far as Zodiac Jack's involvement hinging on the handwriting, you can handle that whatever way you wanna. Others might want some additional corroborating evidence that will show that Zodiac Jack wasn't simply trying to "horn in" on Cooper act.

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Well, now the depositing of Black Dahlia's stocking on a particular street was suppose to have signified a message to Hoover and his cross dressing ways. I have only read this, but I dismissed it in the beginning, and now it seams to have some bearing. There is also a letter written to Hoover while he is director of the FBI that describes Jack to a tee as far as I am concerned, and the narcissism found in it means that it was either dictated while someone else wrote it, or Zodiac wrote it. I still have to examine the handwriting.
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This was the only picture of Jack in a tie, so I would theorize that he didn't wear them as the norm, and a clip-on tie would probably be in order if one didn't know how to tie a tie. Even the photograph with the GE execs in 1963, Jack was wearing a preacher collar style shirt. I cannot tell for sure that this is a clip on, but it doesn't seem to ride as square on the neck line as one would think a real tie would do. How would you weigh in on that, TerryB?

Seems Cooper was purportedly in a dark blue suit and tie, correct? Or did I misread some bad information. I sure wish I knew what the FBI got wrong on their composite as Cooper stated.


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I can't believe that this nuance had slipped my mind, but it will all come together as the link-analysis is completed, but after the Zodiac crimes, the Zodiac wrote that he was going to use a bomb. Now, I know he wouldn't purposely tell the public where or how truthfully, so maybe this was his way of walking them into his next move.
But he would give a clue so it could be linked, and the Bus Bomb letter was postmarked 11-8-1969, this could make the crime an anniversary of his communication beings it occurred in November 1971.

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These are the communications I was talking about, TerryB. They are Horoscopes on Leo and Cancer, but there are cut outs pasted on top of it that read "555" and "3 of V" and that it flies south...


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Well, you've given me a bunch of new info to study up on. Truthfully, it looks a little wide to be a clip-on tie. Coopers description was that of a more slender man, although the nose and ears are a closer match. There's the woman that claims her uncle was probably Dan Cooper, his name was LH Cooper, as I recall. You can see her on youtube. I thought that the most remarkable thing about her is how very closely the specific and unique shape of her nose matches the composite of Cooper.

One other thing to consider is the reports that Coopers clip on tie had small shavings of pure titanium on it. Pure titanium in such a form was considered to be very rare during that time period. I've read no reports as to where this clue might have led to, which also makes me skeptical of the FBI. I do know that some military grade helicopters have pure titanium rotor blade hubs and associated parts. The material is said to be as strong as steel but very light weight like aluminum.

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This was from wikipedia about titanium: An estimated 59 metric tons (130,000 pounds) are used in the Boeing 777, 45 in the Boeing 747, 18 in the Boeing 737, 32 in the Airbus A340, 18 in the Airbus A330, and 12 in the Airbus A320. The Airbus A380 may use 77 metric tons, including about 11 tons in the engines.[60] In engine applications, titanium is used for rotors, compressor blades, hydraulic system components, and nacelles. The titanium 6AL-4V alloy accounts for almost 50% of all alloys used in aircraft applications.













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No way would you use any variance of your real name in a commissioned crime. Come on!!!

The Titanium thing is new, and I would like to weigh in on the fact that Jack speaks heavily in a particular document, I think is associated with work, about hydraulic systems and has diagrams and schematics he has created in regards to them. But, could this titanium come from the plane that he hi-jacked, or do they disclose that it came from another source? How did they get his tie to know there was titanium on it?

Back to the infighting, I am finishing the Lipstick Killings right now as we speak, and I wanted to point out a few messages.

*** New – Haven’t Seen*** Mayor Edward Kelly received a note, “This is to tell you how sorry I am not to not get ole [sic] Degnan instead of his girl. Roosevelt and the OPA make their own laws. Why shouldn’t I and more?”

Distain for Roosevelt and OPA being sent to Mayor Edward Kelly who became mayor after assassination of Chicago's Mayor Cermak who took a bullet in Roosevelt's stead. Roosevelt being the target, and Roosevelt being on JFK's side in deporting David Morales back to Cuba and doing away with the CIA, this is all starting to make sense. I bet if I researched Cermak's affiliation, we would find that he was pro Roosevelt. This instills that Zodiac was of some form or affiliation with the CIA and was against FBI which is who the Zodiac spent his time harassing.

Also, note the statement, "Roosevelt and OPA make their own laws. Why shouldn't I and more? This linguistic phrase, "I and" is used in Zodiac's and Jack Tarrance's handwriting.

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***New Haven’t Seen*** Lipstick Killer “If you don’t ketch me soon, I will cummit suicide….You may find me at the Club Tavern at….Please hurry now.”


This message is ripe with Zodiac, Black Dahlia - Hoover Harassment with cross connection of Degnan and stockings, OCCK, Riverside Phantom, and Bauerdorf innuendos.
1.Commit suicide
2.Will meet at a bar
3.hurry now = go slow or hurry as seen in Black Dahlia and Los Angeles/San Diego activity.

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Double wow Nanette, as you know, that predates the Cooper caper by almost 2 years! It's amazing how much dimension there is to this stuff. As you probably also know; there are people that report that the CIA was bringing money, drugs and weapons in and out of this country. Add that to the word 'revolution' and it's all a strong hint. I would guess that there is more dimension to that aspect too.

I tend to wonder if the titanium shavings weren't from the 727 itself? If I understand all of the business about titanium, most of it was used as an alloy. The trouble I see with the Cooper caper are all of the reports that diverge, which can make it difficult to know if the reports of when Cooper actually bailed out are actual and accurate? A Portland jump would serve as the best explanation for the $5800 ending up in the Columbia river. It dawned on me that I had seen these documents in the past but the significance didn't sink in. I was probably too busy catching up on all of this stuff at that time.

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Nanette, post #26 came in while I was composing. I'm sure that you noticed how far you had to dig to get that stuff about 'old man Degnan'. Then, of course,as you know; how very parallel the Degnan crime resembles the Ramsey crime. And...as you know, this of course shows that her father was the actual target. It's all racketeering, that's for sure.
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The money, drugs, and weapons is factual if you consider "MKULTRA", they were obviously bringing in drugs to experiment with. You know they were making money from it too. This has been a dark shadow over the CIA for decades maybe even centuries. If David Morales was a JFK and RFK target to deport because of his affiliation with drugs and weapons and Cuba, then it is all true from what the Zodiac is trying to tell and the infighting that is going on.


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Because of the evidence of one or more patsy's being rigged into these crimes, I'm reluctant to buy into anything that this killer's is trying to convey on face value. As you know, there is evidence of JT telling DK that the Zodiac stuff was "stupid". If he was part of an organization that was doing "stupid" things, then he wouldn't be too different from regular folks that have the view that the actions of higher-up sometimes do seemingly stupid things.
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