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Well, I hate to say, see or read those things about our government....but I have to agree with that statement.

Look at it this way: If abeldanger is right about a 'pedophile entrapment scheme'(as I also think there is) being in place and it covers individuals that have key positions in the government, you can bet that it would have meant a lot of angst for the people that work under and around them.

Belli......it means war, as in bellicose and belligerent. I forget where I first came to realize this? Is there more to it than that? Ain't that enough???.....???

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Another instance that has been happening with this board is the lag in the notification of a post. I use to receive the instant message in minutes of someone posting. Now, I won't see that TerryB has posted for almost an entire 12-24 hours. I get an instant message that I posted, but not when you post TerryB. In fact, I didn't even know you had posted these last posts which indicate they were posted almost an hour ago. Interesting...
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I've experience that same thing.
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New glitch, after posting in this thread, the forum shows that I posted 17 hours ago and does not place this thread to the top of the board as it should or like it did for the post in the Anthrax thread...

I am partial to the message obtained from the Belli letter using a double anagram system that was discovered in the 408 cipher, and it all goes back to MKULTRA.

"Am not safe from the icult and the trigger if control cannot help me. At this again because wish much work this Christmass."



Am not safe from the icult  = Indications that someone is after him or group involvement
and the trigger = Maybe has become expendable
if control cannot help me. = control, cannot, and help me have been a sound taunt from the beginning with Lipstick Killer all they way home to Tim Miller's letter 2005.
At this again because wish much work this Christmass. = Suspect is requesting work - coincides with being part of a government program - or a blueprint designed killer - boy turned killer - "I have to kill you" as if it weren't the choice of the suspect - "Divine Retribution" and "Justified" retaliation for something or someone which is evidence to suggest that a group is involved and not a single person.


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Nanette, I get your points in the last post. It makes sense that the Melvin Belli letter meant something more and other than what the text says. This Cooper caper evidence shows us in more than two ways that the Zodiac killer had ties to the FBI and probably the CIA because of the esoteric 727 jet information Cooper possessed. From my point of view it served to zing and potentially embarrass J Edgar Hoover. This would mean more money to the CIA and less to the FBI in terms of appropriations. Most major politicians were afraid of Hoover, the Cooper caper would have served to keep Hoover under a tight reign. It tells us that the crimes we've tracked; have enjoyed protection from persons within the US Dept of Justice. Recently, I've read statements that convicted FBI spy Robert Hanson was in the thick of this stuff.(?)
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The facts are that the 727 Boeing airplane was stolen from Northwest Airlines and Northwest Airlines was extorted for $200,000 dollars and the union over both these entities is the International Association of Machinists which Jack Tarrance was obviously a member of at least as early as 1954, and based on the aerial picks Jack was most probably a member as early as 17 years of age, but I bet it wasn't a legitimate member... More like a hired gun with good cover.
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Oh,oh,oh....a duh, I get it, I really do. Hey and BTW, have you searched the net for LS work on the 340 cipher? He sure doesn't seem to be doing much more than offering a book, no trailer, no promotional stuff etc?
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I think we have to rationalize where this money comes from. So, in keeping with extortion and wanting "the money", we have to follow the money. The very same people who would employ these types of tactics in order to maintain control or ensure things are done the way they and their colleagues want them.

I have stated from the beginning that the Belli letter meant more than what it appeared to be portraying. In keeping with the "control" and "more" theme that runs through these communications, it had to mean something, and Belli or his partner(I can't remember who he asked for aside from Belli) was a general purpose. In this case, I would have it relating to RFK's murder as if Belli was the handler or the partner. Or, just a fancy way to get it out so people would see it, the right people that is. Belli is representing Ruby at this time I am told, and this would coincide with the ciphered messages coming out of Catseye that heavily relates the Zodiac activity to telling on those responsible for John F. Kennedy and Robert Kennedy while insuring his existence after Operation Midnight Climax has come to an end. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the attempts to get his story told through Tom Voigt, John Walsh, Michael Tracey, Hunter Thompson, Robert Gray Smith, and Fagan and maybe even Hodel (I'd have to think about him, he believes his own bs and makes money at it) This is sounding like pure fiction, but it is the only outcome that I could begin to assimilate with all the information that is coming out right now. That is, if I were crazy enough to put it together that way.

Think about it, if John F. Kennedy was stifling the likes of big business like the steel trade who is backed by a union like Hoffa, who is coincidentally missing as well, then who can say what union was upstanding and which wasn't. IAM is known for secret societies, and being one of the largest and most closest unions to the government (right next to Teamsters), it is the most likely for containing those that have the money to fund their desires that you and I speak about. Who is Robert Hanson, TerryB?

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Nanette, last item first: Robert Hanssen: former FBI agent busted for taking money from the Russians/former Soviet Union. Sorry, I misspelled his name. I really don't know what to truly believe about him. It seems he was smart enough to become a trusted agent, yet dumb enough to take the money? He's currently said to be in Federal prison. When busted, he was quoted as saying "What took you so long." Go figure? BTW, what do you know about the FBI's 'Stingray' operation?

Nanette, you're are a great person for details and that is very important, however; there can be so many tangents to these subjects that can really load a person down. That's why I try to focus on the Ramsey case the most. However much I don't wanna go into proving that Jack Tarrance was Zodiac Jack, I can't just leave a vacuum on that aspect either. So.....I too must provide some details and fully address that aspect, because it's very specifically entwined in the case facts. 

I think that the way to write about this stuff, is to pose unanswered, yet informed questions.... questions that are in turn answered with plausible and multiple hypothetical scenarios to them. That way you can go back to a focused investigation that fortifies your own work and conclusions, thereby maintaining your own credibility amongst an very incredible story.

Otherwise Nanette, as I have said before....you rock baby, you rock! But please don't let this stuff get you down. I now know that the Cooper caper is linked, that's for sure. So....don't let me sway you off course either, just please don't get too upset or burned out over this stuff.

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OK, completely different Hanssen than I found which was Hanson, but he seemed to be a vicious killer so I didn't think twice about having the wrong person. I find that there has and still is the question about the sign off of "rh" on the Cheri Jo Bates murder, but if we are keeping with the line of reasoning behind all this CIA and FBI junk, then I feel I should research this new Robert as well. He may tie in once again to the rest of this stuff with IAM, Skull and Bones = Bush, Oil, Oil Heiresses, Steel Companies sons, OPA's employee daughters, Walsh's son and Miller's daughter... Now I see that some killings were to keep some people in line, some were to distract from political agendas, and some were just for fun. This is insanity and a whole lot of tangents as you indicated TerryB.
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Well, it's like I said a long time ago: "I feel that in light of the evidence, that Jack was most definitely
leaving a followable trail." We just need to finish assembling the pieces. You've just done that very thing with several items. Between the the two of us, we've consolidated some very certain conclusions about the Cooper caper being linked. If I've read your hint's correctly, you suspect that Jack may have been Cooper himself, right? You do know that the composite of Cooper bore a strong resemblance to a baggage clerk at that very airline, right? That seemed real fishy to me. It made me wonder if others, like the flight attendant's were "in on it?"

Otherwise Nanette, it's like I always say: "You rock baby, you rock!" I'm a little punchy at the moment, I woke up too darn early this morning.

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The composite actually reminds me of E. Howard Hunt honestly, or a mocked up version of the Zodiac Killers composite especially when you have the sun glasses on. Also, I noticed that the FBI likes putting sunglasses on suspects. Didn't they do that with the BTK Bomber as well? Anywho, Zodiac Jack told the FBI they had the composite wrong, but I suspect that he knew that they knew that.

At this point a group effort has been shining through more than ever, and yes many people would have had to be in on this to get away with it. There is the theory as I have had with JBR that Jack is the "writer" and may very well be for some crimes he may not have actually committed like JFK. From the sound of it the Mob/CIA liked to use particular people for very specific things, and that was there go to guy. Never using anyone that they didn't personally know. Now I finally understand the significance of Jack knowing Linden B. Johnson personally.... Out of Texas no less, and Johnson would have been in with the Bush's. This is how I suspect Jack got in, and how he knew things that may have been even greater than him. Either way, I bet Jack spent time at Bohemian Grove, and this may explain his wrath on the Santa Rosa area after Operation Midnight Climax/MKULTRA came to an end and left him high and dry until he showed them he was serious as the Zodiac Killer.

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Your last paragraph first: The whole "Burning of Care in Effigy" thing kinda screams Zodiac Jack 101, doesn't it? So your point is well taken. It's kinda similar to the abuse we've seen in all of the Zodiac Jack murders.

So we have Zodiac Jack intimately involved in the Cooper caper, a crime with only a threat of murder or mayhem, extortion, etc. So that whole crime indicated a departure from the MO in the Zodiac killings. This event is then very telling in it's overview. It provides a critical piece to the whole puzzle, a puzzle that reveals a picture of who it was that might actually be involved in all of it. It supports the notion that the Zodiac persona was a ruse to cover up the true motive in one or more of the killings. 

I think Hunt was a little larger man. Cooper was reportedly a smaller man. I'm not fully certain of all of this aspect though.

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Zodiac was screaming he was going to rip off this plane. Think about the bomb threat, and then the recanting of the bomb threat with the taunt of FLT 555 and three of V which is interesting in that LLS found the V thing in one of his solves of the last 18 in the Harden cipher. I will have to look at his notes on this.

PS I found that "Divine" was a word used in the Rosicrucian stuff... I need to see why oil Heiress - Bauerdorf might have been a target to get to her dad. If I remember it correctly, he was from New York as well and in the 1940's big business with the Bushes would have been going on there. Then there is the Walker's... Which when looking up Jack's name, I found that Walker was used more as surname which I wonder if it could be connected, the Tarrances and the Walker's at some point. This may have also given the inside niche for Jack as well.

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People need to understand the importance of how the DB Cooper caper fits in, how it brings Zodiac Jack in cahoots with persons within the US Federal government, the CIA and local law enforcement.It reveals a 'circle of control' going on behind the scenes.
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