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Nanette, while we know that Dr George Hodel's handwriting does not resemble the questioned documents, here is a good example from Steve Hodel's book that makes a good comparison between handwriting in the Zodiac case and the Black Dahlia case. Here I think that his workmanship is very good. Later I'll post Dr Hodel's handwriting, it's very very different.LTR-G.jpg Steve Hodel does get some things very right, this is one example.

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This is an interesting find because I have not seen the envelope to the radio station before. I am up to Black Dahlia on the evidence so far with a good list of things to investigate from 1945 on. So, I will be joining you here shortly TerryB, and I found a lot of articles I have had since my early investigations that may be new to some people.
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Nanette, I too had never seen the TV station document til recently. Hodel's fathers handwriting is so painfully different, as I'm sure you already know. Hodel has a plethora of key documents.

His dad could have been involved but I haven't seen any key evidence that he was. His dad was a very bright guy, he would've known that the cops bugged his house and he played it up accordingly. So what if she was cut at the fifth vertebrae? As knowledgeable as JT was, that just would have been nothing for him to do. The crime was "made to look like something it was not". You have all of the nasty carving up of her vs a pseudo surgical procedure done to her. Dr Hodel would serve as a default fall guy if needed. Certainly Dr Hodel wasn't about to go over to the Philippines and do another woman(jigsaw murder) in the same way, that would have been far too obvious of a trail that would lead right to him.

Dr Hodel liked romantic poetry, he was a womanizer, he hung out with famous actor/director John Huston etc, etc. I don't see a guy like Dr Hodel doing all that nasty and seemingly petty stuff to the victims. Then add in the petty tauntings and cheesy documents.......it would have been out of character for him as well.

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Maybe, there was something political that Dr. Hodel was involved with or knew, and this was a way to wrap his life up just like they did to the Ramsey's, Tim Miller, and so many other high level people, including, the King's, the Busch's. Oh I could go on with the lives that this affected. The Ivin's, Hatfill's, and Abel's.... OOOOh the list is long. This I bet is the main mystery of who and why they became a JT target aside from his own little excursions of girls at phone booths and convenient stores, or hitch hiking.
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We see that in most of the crimes there's one or more default suspect(s). I think Dr George Hodel was being set up as a default suspect. He had a lot of important Hollywood friends, like actor/director John Huston. The buzz is that he may have been an abortion doctor but there was no proof of that. He was acquitted of molesting his daughter. He was said to be a womanizer, and in the eye's of his kids that would have been criminal. He was a very smart guy, smart enough to know his own house was bugged and I suspect that he played up to that. He may have even been an azzhole, but that doesn't make him a killer. After the BD murder and his reputation was tarnished, he fled to the Philippines, a similar murder(Jigsaw) took place, that doesn't automatically mean he did it, I read it has him being played for a patsy.

It makes sense to me that Norman Chandler was being groomed for extortion and most likely by Bugsy Siegel. Siegel was running out of money via his Las Vegas Flamingo Hotel construction. Siegel was shot to death in the summer of that year. The fact that BD's nylons were placed on 12th and Hoover tells me that that was meant to be a message to J.Edgar to back off. Siegel was an associate of mob boss Meyer Lansky. Most likely the the Chicago mob hit Siegel for any one of several reasons. Lansky, Siegel and Mickey Cohen were Jewish mobsters, the Chicago mob was generally Italian/Sicilian.  After the disappearance of  Jean Spangler and two of Cohens hoods, several attempt were made on Cohens life. His lawyer was shot and killed.

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Ok, in my research so far of Jack's whereabouts, I could not place Jack and Short in San Diego at the same time as BD worked for Camp Cooke in 1943 for a short period, and there is nothing to support Jack's presence at this time. What I was able to find was an article of her whereabouts up and until her disappearance.

http://crime.about.com/od/murder/a/blackdahlia.htm

The Black Dahlia Murder Case

The Black Dahlia Murder Case

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Elizabeth Short - The Black Dahlia Murder

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The case remains one of Hollywood's long-running mysteries and one of the most gruesome of the 1940s. A pretty young woman was found cut in half and posed in a sexually explicit pose in a vacant lot in would be sensationalized in the media as the "Black Dahlia" murder.

In the media frenzy that followed, rumors and speculation were published as fact and inaccuracies and exaggerations continue to plague accounts of the crime until this day. Here are the few real facts that are known about the life and death of Elizabeth Short.

Elizabeth Short's Childhood Years

Elizabeth Short was born on July 29, 1924 in Hyde Park, Massachusetts to parents Cleo and Phoebe Short. Cleo made a good living building miniature golf courses until the Depression took its toll on the business. In 1930, with his business suffering, Cleo decided to fake his suicide and abandoned Phoebe and their five daughters. He parked his car by a bridge and took off to California. Authorities and Phoebe believed Cleo committed suicide.

Later, Cleo decided he made a mistake, contacted Phoebe and apologized for what he had done. He asked to come home. Phoebe, who had faced bankruptcy, worked part-time jobs, stood in lines to get public assistance and raised the five children alone, wanted no part of Cleo and refused to reconcile.

Despite her parents' difficulties, Elizabeth continued to correspond with her father. She was growing up to be an attractive young girl and like many teenagers, enjoyed going to the movies.

Her High School Years

Elizabeth was not academically inclined earning average grades in high school. She left high school in her freshman year because of asthma which she suffered with since childhood. It was decided that it would be best for her health if she left New England during the winter months. Arrangements were made for her to go to Florida and stay with family friends, returning to Medford during the spring and summer.

Despite her parents' difficulties, Elizabeth continued to correspond with her father. She was growing up to be an attractive young girl and like many teenagers, enjoyed going to the movies. Like many young pretty girls, Elizabeth developed an interest in modeling and the movie industry and set her goals to someday work in Hollywood.

A Short-Lived Reunion

At the age of 19, Elizabeth's father sent her money to join him in Vallejo, California. The reunion was short lived and Cleo soon grew tired of Elizabeth's lifestyle of sleeping during the day and going out on dates until late at night. Cleo told Elizabeth to leave and she moved out on her own to Santa Barbara.

The Next Three Years

There is much debate about where Elizabeth spent her remaining years. It is known that in Santa Barbara she was arrested for underage drinking and was packed up and returned to Medford. According to reports up until 1946, she spent time in Boston and Miami. In 1944, she fell in love with Major Matt Gordon, a Flying Tiger, and the two discussed marriage, but he was killed on his way home from the war.

In July 1946, she moved to Long Beach, California to be with an old boyfriend, Gordon Fickling, who she dated in Florida before her relationship with Matt Gordon. The relationship ended shortly after her arrival and Elizabeth floundered around for the next few months.

A Soft Spoken Beauty

Friends described Elizabeth as being soft spoken, courteous, a non-drinker, or smoker, but somewhat of a loafer. Her habit of sleeping late in the day and staying out at night continued to be her lifestyle. She was pretty, enjoyed dressing stylishly and turned heads because of her pale skin contrasting against her dark hair and her translucent blue-green eyes. She wrote to her mother weekly, insuring her that her life was going well. Some speculate that the letters were Elizabeth's attempt to keep her mother from worrying.

Those around her know it that over the next few months she moved often, was well liked, but illusive and not well known. During October and November of 1946, she lived in the home of Mark Hansen, owner of the Florentine Gardens. The Florentine Gardens had a reputation as being a rather shoddy strip joint in Hollywood. According to reports, Hansen was said to have various attractive women rooming together at his home, which was located behind club.

Elizabeth's last known address in Hollywood was the Chancellor Apartments at 1842 N. Cherokee, where she and four other girls roomed together.

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In December, Elizabeth boarded a bus and left Hollywood for San Diego. She met Dorothy French, who felt sorry for her and offered her a place to stay. She stayed with the French family until January when she was finally asked to leave.

Robert Manley

Robert Manley was 25 years old and married, working as a salesman. According to reports, Manley first met Elizabeth in San Diego and offered her a ride to the French house where she was staying. When she was asked to leave, it was Manley who came and drove her back to the Biltmore hotel in downtown Los Angeles where she was supposed to be meeting her sister. According to Manley, she was planning to go live with her sister Berkeley. (Should say “in Berkeley” because none of her sisters are named Berkeley) See http://www.nndb.com/people/206/000159726/ For a list of her sister’s names. This is where I think Jack found Short.

Manley walked Elizabeth to the hotel lobby where he left her at around 6:30 p.m. and drove back to his home San Diego. Where Elizabeth Short went after saying goodbye to Manley is unknown.

The Murder Scene

On January 15, 1947 Elizabeth Short was found murdered, her body left in a vacant lot on South Norton Avenue between 39th Street and Coliseum. Homemaker Betty Bersinger was running an errand with her three-year-old daughter when she realized that what she was looking at was not a mannequin but an actual body in the lot along the street where she was walking. She went to a nearby house, made an anonymous call to police, and reported the body.

When police arrived on the scene, they found the body of a young woman who had been bisected, displayed face-up on the ground with her arms over her head and her lower half placed a foot away from her torso. Her legs were wide open in a vulgar position and her mouth had three-inch slashes on each side. Rope burns were found on her wrists and ankles. Her head face and body was bruised and cut. There was little blood at the scene, indicating whoever left her, washed the body before bringing it in the lot.

The crime scene quickly filled with police, bystanders and reporters. It was later described as being out of control, with people trampling on any evidence investigators hoped to find.

Through fingerprints, the body was soon identified as 22-year-old Elizabeth Short or as the press called her, "The Black Dahlia." A massive investigation into finding her murderer was launched. Because of the brutality of the murder and Elizabeth's sometimes sketchy lifestyle, rumors and speculation was rampant, often being incorrectly reported as fact in newspapers.

Suspects

Close to 200 suspects were interviewed, sometimes polygraphed, but all eventually released. Exhausted efforts were made to run down any leads or any of the several false confessions to the killing of Elizabeth by both men and women.

Despite efforts made by investigators, the case has remained one of the most famous unsolved cases in California's history.

 

Here I can support another theory. BD stayed with her father for a short period in Vallejo, CA during 1946, and by December she stayed with the French's, but was soon asked to leave, and Manley drove her back to the Biltmore where she was said to have been going to live with her sister Berkeley. I believe this to be a typo because per this site http://www.nndb.com/people/206/000159726 none of her sisters were named Berkeley. However; "in Berkeley" makes more sense as a typo. Taking this into consideration with her father residing in Vallejo and a sister in Berkeley we can now see a connection to the possible meeting of Jack Tarrance and Elizabeth Short. Jack was married to Letha in Berkeley, CA in March 1946, but shortly thereafter took off.


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Just one of many examples that Jack Tarrance was involved in the BD murder: NOTE2JT noted.JPG  Alignment of the capital J with respect to the capital T indicates it comes first in the sequence. Notice the hook on the stem of the 't' in 'at'. More can be said about this card but these are the most obvious clues. A time/date stamp appears throughout his evil career. Notice the k in Black, it hints phonetically and structurally as 'Jack'.

If a prosecutor had Jack Tarrance in custody at the time, I think this card would probably have been used against him.

Phonetically via the structure, the last line might read: 'black jolly of anger'.


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Interesting JT connection. I like it, there is also the intent to turn oneself in in the OCCK letter to Dr. Danto and Georgette Bauerdorf. It is a theme that is ringing load and clear.
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Right, you mentioned that recently and it is a point that I hadn't added to the list that I have. I will add that directly.

The pattern that I see is one of psychological manipulation, I think it was part of his MO to steer everyone's thinking in the direction that he wants, to keep them on a certain track or train of reasoning. To keep them upset by dashing their hopes that he'll "see the light" and do the right thing and turn himself in. He wanted to continue the cruelty, this keeps people upset and unable to clinically envision what the true motive might be behind these nasty murders. It's terrorism and extortion really. That way, his(or their) intended victims will be readily more compliant. Look at the cause and effect in the anthrax case as an example. Or look at the OCCK case from the angle that the target(s) are some people in positions of money and authority. Rather than see the same happen to their loved ones, they give in because they quickly realize that they're dealing with people that mean business and are totally ruthless. Then examine the pedophile angle; get the pedophile to "take the bait", get pictures and or film and they can control that person. This gives them a tight and absolute control of things. They can back that same power with money. These tactics are probably centuries old.

Most upstart hoodlums wouldn't think this deep but most of the crime syndicate has become necessarily more sophisticated since the days of Al Capone. Since the most heavy handed blackouts of justice occur in the Detroit and Denver areas, I'd guess it's mainly in the domain of the old Purple(Jewish) gang influence but who knows for sure? The clearest connection to the Jewish mafia appears in the BD case. You don't hear much about the Jewish mafia and that fact speaks volumes about the control that they have. The last TV show that I saw that had the subject of a Jewish mafia was Hawaii Five-0. The Nixon administration opened the door to Jewish cabinet members by having Henry Kissinger as Sec of State. Nowadays they are many more of them in the White house. I'm not anti-Semitic, I'm just telling it like it is. 50 years ago and earlier and you'd have had a armed revolt to such a thing. Even JFK being a catholic was a huge political liability, his political charm was disarming. Ruby was a Jew and there's evidence that he was in on the assassination of JFK. Certainly Ruby wasn't a man of high virtue, he was a weasel. On tape he admitted that he acted under orders when he shot Oswald.

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I believe you are right based on my research as of lately. I am under the impression at this point in time, until other evidence changes it, that Jack was a government project to portray activities of many serial killers operating in the US to do all the above mentioned tactics to the US as a whole. Of course their are political agendas in some of the cases, i.e., hit man type situations as well, but it is a hostage/terroristic situation basically and spawned the idea that one could get away with it, so we now see many serial killers being portrayed as operating in the US even today. The FBI claims that there are as many as 500 operating yearly. I would like to know how many they actually catch yearly, and does this mean that the mere fact that there are so many operating that someone isn't doing there job, either purposely or due to ineptness? I just can't see if there is so many LE on so many levels what prevents the capture and arrest of these individuals? You would have to be trained rather well in order to commit these heinous and messy crimes without getting caught...
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Look at how long the screwed around with Whitey Bulger. They still haven't captured Leo Frederick Burt. I personally gave them a tip on where I think Burt was here in Minnesota. I never got a follow up response from the arrogant jerks. Burt's allegedly been on the lamb for over 40 year now.

The guy I told them about is a dead ringer for Burt and this same guy had journalist skills and certainly no or poor mechanical skills. This same guy is an underhanded liar and very impulsive person, radical in his ways too. He seemed to enjoy special immunity on the job too. Via the FBI's sloppy work on the anthrax case, I don't trust them.

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Back to the Black Dahlia case: One must recognize the amount of planning and deception laced into the brutal murder and staging of Elizabeth Short's corpse. One must look at all of the minutia in the crime. One must recognize that Dr George Hodel was also a political victim of that crime.
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I am checking out an avenue where research led me, and that is with individuals who would do whatever it took to maintain the true freedom American's think they have now. These people operated on their own accord with self-supporting avenues and support of the organization, but would do whatever it took to get the job done in the name of freedom. I have to at least consider this avenue because not much makes sense about Jack trying to divulge the JFK scandal at the same time being a serial killer. So, my work is still on going.
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Very interesting. This also coincides with another beau of BD's who claimed that she was to go to Chicago with a photographer named Jack just before she was last seen..... Hmmmm... I am so glad that this comes to light at the very time I am putting things together. Thanks TerryB.
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