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TM should be I-45 killings as that is one of the many sprees the letter takes credit for. A is Anthrax, and RP is Riverside Phantom - Red Lipstick - or whatever name others have come up with for the Riverside spree.


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I see now.  Thank you. 
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Back to the basics, and I would have to say that I am happy to do so. Semester is coming to a nice close, and time will be on my side from now on. Look forward to up and coming information on this case!


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OK, my endeavors has come to a pleasurable ending, and after watching Aphrodite again tonight, I find myself with a new found fire under myself for this case.

 

I picked up my grandfather from LA this last week and moved him to Sac with me. I am astonished with the information that he recalls from the time of the Zodiac and JFK, and he even mentioned Lindon Johnson.

 

My grandfather was enlisted in Corpus Cristi, TX, but sent to Great Lakes, MI for boot camp by the boat load he claims. Grandpa says that Ford Motor Co. was building engines for Prat Whitney the original maker of the engine. This was done in Dearborne, MI.

 

GMAC was producing the Allison engine from England for war efforts. BTW my grandpa says that it was a very effective engine at that time.

 

But, let's go back to Dearborne, MI because I believe that there is a tie there somewhere.

 

Either way, I am back and ready to put some of these things together politically because I finally have the encyclopedia at my finger tips, Grandpa that is! He also has some very interesting connections with the very same memories of happenings during this time. 


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Nanette, please fill me in on what the "cheese letter" is. If I recall correctly Graysmith had the so-called cheese letter in one of his books, it had the word "Kases" with an oomlot over the "a" which means some kind of cheese in German...right? Also which Singapore letter do you think he is referring to in this stupid inflammatory posting on the Dennis MB?

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The cheese letter is a confirmed hoax letter nanette matched to JT. As well as the Singapore letter, again confirmed hoax, that nanette matched to JT.


Dennis let jbradfield666 really have it and this is the first post from his sorry ass in a long time.

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You can learn some things about it by searching the "Cheese Letter" and "Sad Badge" threads on Kaufman's board.
In 2009, Tom Voigt or one of his followers created a persona, Sad Badge, to communicate with Nanette and try to feed her misinformation. Sad Badge was supposedly a member of Law Enforcement who had inside information about the Zodiac case and a cover up within the SFPD.
It became clear that Sad Badge wasn't who he said he was, when Nanette posted this:
http://www.denniskaufman.websitetoolbox.com/post/Sad-Badge-3521428?highlight=cheese&trail=75 
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I think this may be the last communication I will be able to post for Sad Badge, 

But, here it is: 

PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS FOR ME: 

To whom it may concern: 

On this 12th day of June, our fate has been changed forever. 
Murderers come and go, but the Zodiac stayed with us for 40 years. 
Victorious at last, we now know his name: Jack Tarrance. 
Often we see killers get away with their crimes. It's not the case here. 

I wish I could thank each of you who has taken the time to care. 
Great effort was made to solve this case. 
Tarrance's motive may never be known. 
I ponder that every day. 

Some will be saddened the case is closed. 
Cipher buffs will always wonder what the codes meant. 
Others will wonder how many total victims there were. 
Others will forever be convinced the Zodiac was never caught. 
Let's all enjoy the solving of a mystery! 


I highlighted the first letter of each line- it reads, "Tom Voigt is cool". 

Sad Badge sent Nanette copies of what he called The Cheese Letter, which was supposedly a little known section of the Secret Pal card that Voigt had, at one time, had posted on his site but was forced to remove. It was constructed using the Zodiac Killer fonts that are available on the web. It read:

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This is the Zodiac Speaking
So you broke my cypher- Gouda for you. Some people call me a Muenster. I won't give you my name but I live in Monterrey, Jack. I cut and slice and grate on people. I'm from Wisconsin.
Swiss you were here-
(signed with a crosshair symbol)


I believe there was also something written like "By Kase", with an umlaut over the letter "a" (Kase means cheese, in German), and a "jtarr" scribbled somewhere on it, as well.

In fairness to Nanette, she never said that she did an examination on this
letter and she never conclusively matched it to Jack. She also never said that she 100% believed what Sad Badge was telling her. From her posts (her username was Sweetcheeks in those threads), she sounds like she does believe some of what she is being told, but she repeatedly states that she doesn't know if Sad Badge or the Cheese Letter is for real.

The Singapore letter is the one that was sent to Tom Voigt. According to Voigt, the writer of the letters to him had been identified and he said it was a woman. I don't know that he ever provided a name or any other information about it; it was a few years ago so I don't remember the details very well but it could probably be found by searching his board.

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That all makes sense, thank you. That did jog my memory, it just wasn't a subject that I explored, I do remember thinking at the time that I read it.... that the cheese letter seemed real phoney sounding and not consistent with other Zodiac writings but I saw no provenance for the whole thing.
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Kudos Jupiter, for even paying attention, and reading the real truth. You have obviously been around for longer than you claim to have been because I erased any message that I have participated in on more than two occasions on DK's MB. The BS from Sad Badge was some of the first to go! Catseye bought into the "KKASES" not me, and this is why you can find it on her website still today. I never even wasted my time with a handwriting exam because it is obvious that it was a letter that someone put together using the Z font, and this can be seen by comparing letters individually on the letter that are identical, and this wouldn't be the case if someone was really writing it themselves.


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As for the Singapore and Thailand letter, do not let anyone dissuade on the validity of these letters because unless Dennis has conned Charles into his beliefs which I don't believe he has "completely" done, the response that I received unsolicited, and without his knowledge was surprising because Charles did not know why I was bringing Dennis to my house. I have said it repeatedly that I tried not to discuss my findings with Charles because it did not appear to sit well with him. So, his participation in recognizing, and claiming that these particular letters, that I found on TV's website, were his father's was not pre-solicited, nor did I expect there to be a reaction from him that occurred when I approached DK about them.

I will complete a thorough exam on all letters involved now that we have tension from the same side! LOL


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I don't think I ever gave a time frame of my interest in the Zodiac case, actually. I started following it around 2006 or 2007. In fact, I was initially very intrigued with Kaufman's case, thinking he might be on to something with Jack. But the more I researched, the more I decided otherwise. I have been a visitor, and sometimes member, of several of the other boards (including ones that are now defunct) dedicated to the Zodiac case. Heck, I was even on Chris Farmer's board until I just couldn't take those ridiculously made up mathematical clues of his anymore!

A good deal of your posts under "Sweetcheeks" are still on Kaufman's board. I found them yesterday when I was getting the links and quotes for TerryB. 

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My bad! I shouldn't presume someone's level of interest or time invested in these cases. I figured to some degree that messages would still be there. One of the bury the evidence techniques for the trolls were to constantly copy and paste something someone said into their message, and re-post it making the thread 10 times longer than it needed to be. LOL Plus the trolls love to copy and paste from DK's board too. Tends to make their conversation a little more interesting I suppose. Seeings how they couldn't actively investigate their theories because they didn't have the stuff I have on JT to go through, I bet their conversations got stale and old very quickly without anything new to ponder.
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Nanette, I'm interested in the Singapore and Thailand letters, can you link them for me to view?

When I first noted the JT initials on the JBR letter, that caused me to do two main things 1) re-examine and study Jack's exemplars, Zodiac handwriting as well as your reports on the same 2) go back and look for JT initial clues on others case said to be linked, they were there and found throughout all of the crimes except of course OCCK, additionally; somewhat artistic signatory elements were also cross connected from case to case. These things fortified my conviction that Jack Tarrance is the prime perp. Many other things shore up the case like the "Jack" clues on the known Zodiac killer post cards.

Sorry Jupiter but I don't fully trust you.

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I think that the cross connection in the OCCK cases was not just "pray it doesn't snow," but the fact that the letter that was written to Danto from the suspect who claimed that it was coming from the suspect's roommate "Allen." I.e. ALA as the tie in because he was the most recent suspect in the Z killings at that time. Coincidence? I think not.... Of all the ways for Allen to be spelled it was spelled like ALA's was. I remember back in the day, my Uncle would remark on how different his middle name was spelled from the norm because his middle name was "Allen." Also, the taunt to meet Danto to tell all is another thing that Z did. There are reports of attorneys who claimed to be contacted by Z, and that he was going to turn himself in, and never showed up as well.

TerryB, TV letters below:

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad327/NanetteB_2009/Compilation%20of%20Killers/AllVoigt600dpi_0001.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad327/NanetteB_2009/Compilation%20of%20Killers/Questionedletters_0002.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad327/NanetteB_2009/Compilation%20of%20Killers/AllVoigt600dpi_0006.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad327/NanetteB_2009/Compilation%20of%20Killers/AllVoigt600dpi_0004.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad327/NanetteB_2009/Compilation%20of%20Killers/AllVoigt600dpi_0003.jpg

http://i948.photobucket.com/albums/ad327/NanetteB_2009/Compilation%20of%20Killers/AllVoigt600dpi_0002.jpg

Here are the links to those letters. I think I am missing a page, but I have the hard copies, so I will check them.




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Nanette, let me see If I have this right: 2 subjects, the first is about the letters to TV, you say they might be from JT but you haven't yet analyzed them, is that correct? Have you done a cursory check of these letters and do you think that they are from JT?

The second subject is about OCCK,  are telling me that there was a letter sent to Danto as well as the phone call? If so, where can I see this letter?

To me the letters to TV seem like a ruse, $10 million US ?, that alone seems pretty goofy to me, style wise they do certainly appear to be from JT, if so I'd say he was using TV as a tool.

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If the TV letters are forgeries, they're damn good ones, they look pretty good to me.
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