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Nanette, I just picked up your point about the military time, I missed that one. I haven't quite made it all the way through the Daxis emails just yet. You're are a marathon reader if you have! I can only do about 10 pages a day. Wow Nanette, that's a great find too! How the hell could LE miss this stuff?! I say they can't have missed these very blatant nuances.

I will check out that link regarding the 340 cypher ASAP, thank you much.

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Nanette, you did contact her? I'm not sure how she arrived at the solve. We should make sure it isn't a hoax solve. Apparently she says that the lower portion hasn't  been decoded yet. It's interesting, to say the least.

Coded messages aren't anything new. I do know that several different messages can be contained within a coded message and deciphered using different key codes. Not having those keys can make it damn near impossible to decode, this means that certain assumptive keys would have to be tried several times over and over. The right computer program could do this. She thanked the web toy site. I tried that site and the permutations do kick out several Zodiac killer keywords, but of course I never got a sensible message out of the thing.

I kinda see how she arrived at the decode key she used. She apparently used some assumptive phonetics to arrive at the message she says is contained therein. Like the "T" in what she says is Tarrance phonetically, I don't quite follow that. Oh......it just dawned me! It sounds like Tarrance with the d on the end of jac! I follow that. It's interesting and it does fit in with what we do know. I do respect the fact that she points out that she hasn't decoded the lower portion of the 340 cipher just yet. You should ask her to run the numbers found on the brass keys found amongst Jack's items. I like it!

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(Redacted) is a male, TerryB... Here is what he walked me through. On the http://www.oranchak.com/zodiac/webtoy website, there is a link below the cipher that says "Find Repeated Sequences." Click here to get a vast list of 4 letter/symbol sequences that repeat, 3 letter/symbol sequences, 2 letter/symbol sequences. By clicking through each link, I came up with 2 different 3 letter sequences, and this is where (Redacted) begins hour after hour of trial and error with letters. He said he figured that the word "the" was one of the most used words in the English language, so trying both the 3 letter/symbol sequences that repeat in a single line (I5F) and (FBc) were the only ones keeping the assumption that the cipher is written from left to write like the 408 cipher.

He used the I5F link and plugged in "the" into both sets of boxes. This of course will fill in additional "T's", "H's", and "E's" throughout the cipher based on the symbol the letter was attached to. Given this he moved onto "and" and versions thereof like "nd" and "an" through the 3 sequence and 2 sequence links until he could see something trying to be formed. From there, he played what I would basically call scrabble making out words that could go with the visible letters. He walked me through it, and I think I am going to ask him to give me a list of his trials, but I can tell you that he wasn't pushing any theory or trying to make words out of nothing, and by the time he could make out most of the upper message, he realized that a formal name had emerged with jacdagaroence, he applied all the known suspects to the phonetic version in the cipher and low and behold JT was what he came up with. He claims that the last 8 or so symbols are a fake key where "Zodiac" almost appeared as a signoff. Funny that those very letters came out to say "oo I got you!" He also said that the second part of the message after "the end, done" appears to be random text, where nothing legible could be made throughout his trial and error tests, just like the last 18 symbols of the 408 cipher.

Here's the thing, we know that based on the first cipher, JT used 2 or more symbols/letters for a single letter which made the solve even more complicated without the key. What I find when I manipulate this cipher is that when you change any single letter within the web toy, it changes the likes of all the same symbols which may be why it is read more phonetically rather than clearer like the 408. If some of these letters represented by a single symbol are all connected, it doesn't allow for the letter to be represented by more than one symbol, so this may be a snag in a complete solve; however, NO ONE has ever had this cipher make a complete statement.

Here's the kicker, he tried really hard to make the word "nasty" into anything but that, and all he kept coming back to is that this is the only word that fit that didn't change the entire dynamics of the cipher's statement by way of changing one letter, and it changes all symbols.

I have never been able to follow any other person's version of a solve, but this was wayyyy tooo easy to follow, and a monkey could see what he was doing. He is a chemical engineer I believe, and claimed he was bored of watching tv, and decided to give this a whirl. After spending many hours, this is what he came up with. Like he said though, JT wrote it phonetically so that if cracked, it couldn't be used against him because it did not say his name out right... JT/Z 101 hahahahahahahaha (Redacted) also mentioned that he didn't go into this thinking that a suspect's name was even attainable, maybe a victim's, cops, or media person, but certainly not a formal name. He was astonished after working the solve for as long as he did to have come to that point.

I will get back with his notes on his solve hopefully...

All I can say is that this whether Jack's name comes out of it or not, it is still the closest to a real solve as I have ever seen.

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Nanette, sorry, Loren's a guy, my bad.

I follow everything that you just said. I no longer suspect that it's a hoax solve. IMHO, his methodology is sound. The point that it is the first series of statements to come out of a portion of the 340 cipher is a very important point and as you know; that point reinforces his workmanship. And yes, most definitely it's a JT101 encryption trick.

I get the left to right, top to bottom approach. If he's not too sick of dealing with the study of the 340 cipher, I hope he'll analyze the lower section right to left, and/or bottom to top etc. It's pretty cool work on his part. It certainly could be used as a solid piece of evidence when coupled with all the other evidence that we have compiled. Certainly Jack wasn't dumb enough to correctly spell out his name in that cipher, but to do so phonetically is exactly what we'd expect him to have done. JT knew that the 340 cipher was minced up with the way he constructed it. Zodiac Jack's repeated use of intentionally misspelled words and his "play on words" and/or meta-writing does support Loren's findings as well. I like it!

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I continued this conversation to the newly pinned 340 thread. I took these initial conversations over there as well, and I corrected the male reference to match (Redacted). I hope that you don't mind, TerryB, that I edited that part of your post when I placed it there?

I didn't address the post back one... I completed reading the emails a while ago. I made many, many notes, and haven't yet revisited them. I needed a break because like you said, you can only take things in moderation.  I can speed read, so getting through them while very exhausting didn't take too long, thank goodness. I need to re-read TV letters and a few others before I attempt that feat.


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No problem on the re-post Nanette.

Yeah, I have to go over them slowly and carefully. I do think I have enough to go with for now but I should see if I can find the rest of them to at least gloss over. Additionally, there are still the phone calls that are also posted online, I've been putting those off for awhile now. You wanna wring Karrs's neck or at least slap the hell out of that little prick.

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Yes, I though my eyes would bleed or I would pull my hair out reading them, but after I realized the redundancy of them, it was easy to glean over statements already read, and move on quickly to new entries. Somehow, I felt like the repeated messages were like reading the documents on the FOIA in FBI archives. You first would have to sort out all the duplicates that mean nothing to get to anything new...
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I recently discovered a Black Dahlia era headline titled" "Set Murder Watch for Dahlia Killer". !!! Geez!

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Why would that be a headline unless there was some reason to suspect that this was an MO for a crime that had already happened?
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Yeah, I'd like to know the answer to that myself. We'd probably have to glean all of the newspaper articles from that time. The photo I found of it has it being held up in a restaurant. Did his insist that that was how he wanted the header to read? Or did he send in a taunt to "set your murder watch"? I don't exactly know, but I'd guess that there were perhaps several taunting letters sent into the newspapers and the cops?
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There is a good possibility that there are communications that have been purposely withheld in some cases like OCCK so people couldn't copycat them.
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I think that this drawing on JonBenet Ramsey's hand is very much JT 101. It's too odd of a drawing to have been made by a little kid. I thinks it's another one of his calling cards, just like all the JT clues are.

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It's definitely a strange drawing, and I would wonder about a six year olds ability to reign in the fine motor control to write a heart that small??? If it is a heart? The other markings don't jibe as far as what you would expect a little girl to draw on her hand...
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Nanette, this is with regard to your post #43. At the time that I had read former Detective Steve Thomas' book I remember that I was pretty appalled at: 1) him writing a book 2) him pointing fingers at the Ramsey's. As a result of this and other distractions; the 'rabbit clue" didn't sink in. It turns out that someone did leave a stuffed toy (I think it was a toy?) rabbit at JonBenet's grave. John Ramsey's ex-wife tried to give it to him, he retorted "send it in".

As you know; all of the Zodiac Killer picture post card had a Jack clue, Jack rabbit, one eyed Jack, Jackass etc. Now we have the rabbit clue at the Chris Busch death scene, as well as DIESEL.

I agree that a crime syndicate isn't going to leave things at a grave unless they're sending a message?

I am reexamining the movements in the JBR murder with questions like: When was the ransom note placed on the stairs. Certainly not before she was brought downstairs. This points to 'after she was already dead'. Perhaps I'll end up cutting Steve Thomas some slack, especially if there's evidence of two attackers, ie; the so-called stun gun marks.
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Just finding a drawing like that at the Busch death scene is Zodiac Jack 101. The whole death scene and scenario are Zodiac Jack 101.
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